[Apparently, Jesus is in the fruit-juice business)
The wine which was made by Jesus was not the strongly alcoholic wine or liquor we see today. If it was fermented at all, it contained an extremely small amount of alcohol - only enough to serve to purify the drink. It's actually more like grape juice than what we would consider to be wine. The wine that is out today is designed for the purpose of making one drunk. It contains a lot more alcohol than the grape juice Jesus made.
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Maybe if randy didn't just hang out under bridges and at homeless shelters he would realize that he is full of shit. Many people drink wine with their meals, that doesn't mean it's 'Thunderbird' or 'MD 20/20, you frickin' dolt.
Recent research doesn´t accomplish your stupidity. Well, you can ALWAYS convert to islam, because according to Solomon, wine was strong enough to create renegates.
I knew a guy at University who spouted this exact same reasoning. Basically, 'wine' in the bible is not alcoholic, because alcohol is bad. At one point, he held that it was dehydrated grape juice, more like a paste than liquid.
Ah yes, I've seen this before...
And you know this how ,
Grape juice turns itself into wine if left around for a while. The alcohol level will increase until the yeast either runs out of sugar or is killed by the alcohol - normally somewhere between 10% and 15%, if the grapes are ripe. Without modern refrigeration, it would be pretty hard to keep grape juice around without it turning into alcoholic wine, so we can be pretty sure the wedding guests had already been drinking wine, not grape juice, when Jesus was called upon to make some more.
No, Randy, it was wine. Remember, the Bible is the ever-unchanging word of God? If it says wine, it means wine!
In the story of Jesus turning water into wine at a wedding party, after he had done so, the master of the feast called the bridegroom over and said to him "Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now." The significance of this is that the best wine was to be served first, and this is what they would get their buzz going with. After they had "well drunk", they would not care that the poorer or worse wine was served since they were already drunk. But then along come Jesus, when they had run out of wine, and turned water into wine, which was better than they started out with. did contain alcohol. Not only did the grape juice they have ferment, they had no way to prevent it from happening.
SaveTheBales said:His wine may have sucked, but I'll bet JC could get some kick-ass weed. Look at all the funky, trippy shit he supposedly did.
That reminds me of a sign I had many years ago that had a marijuana leave in the background and read:
"Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth,...; to you it shall be for meat.
However, God has been overruled by our civil authorities."
Chief dinkwad, Bro. Randy, is confusing wishful thinking with reality. To support his own message, he wishes that Jesus didn't partake in and supply actual wine. Therefore, Bro. R. propounds his grape juice idea as if it were fact. No evidence, no research, just Bro. R. making stuff up to support his twisted world view.
Yeah, woe betide that Jesus should perform a miracle to show that being part of the kingdom of God is, you know, something to celebrate .fun ?
"If it was fermented at all, it contained an extremely small amount of alcohol - only enough to serve to purify the drink."
Actually, wine back then was quite a bit more alcoholic than it is today, but they almost always watered it down heavily before drinking it. And just an FYI, the amount of alcohol necessary in wine to "purify the drink" is considerable.
I've heard this argument before and it never holds water. No matter how much grape juice someone drinks they will never get to a point where they don't care about the quality. Wine on the other hand...
Oh Randy, Bro, Noah was a drunk and god found him to be so favorable as to be the only one worthy of saving from the flood. The bibble is clearly in favor of not only drinking, but of planting a vinyard so as to not run out of wine for all ages ... "Can anyone shed some light on these verses please? I am very confused by them, and I imagine there are others who are as well."
Way to go jehovah, image keep 'em confused with your inerrant and wise words by which to live life and instruct the young. This is what you get when you try to force people to live by an incomplete and addled fairy tale.
"The wine which was made by Jesus was not the strongly alcoholic wine or liquor we see today." "If it was fermented at all, it contained an extremely small amount of alcohol - only enough to serve to purify the drink."
you need an alcohol level of over 20% in order to stop wine spoiling, if exposed to air.
"The wine that is out today is designed for the purpose of making one drunk."
some people drink it for the flavour!
look, idiot: the strength of wine is due largely to the amount of sugar the liquid to be fermented has in it. wine yeast will continue to produce alcohol until the sugars are exhausted (or until the alcohol level reaches about 15%, at which point the yeast dies).
(why am i even trying to rationalize this idiot's rantings???)
I mean, even The Frugal Gourmet got this one right, and the whole "wine-means-grape-juice" thing started in his denomination. And Jeff Smith was not terribly good when it came to historical research (which sucks, because he was an excellent writer).
Ok, now explain why someone pointed out you serve the good wine first and the crap wine second.
Because then you're sloshed enough not to care, Randy.
I want to slap people who say this. The Greek words for "wine" and "grape juice" are so far from different that there's no way a copier error got into the text. And apparently, Bro. Randy is not up to alcohol content in wine. Generally a bottle is 6-12 % alcohol, and is normally served at dinners, especially at parties and restaurants. If you want to get drunk, you don't drink wine, you drink Jack, or Crown, or Cuervo, or Smirnoff (Vodka, not that other crap). Of course, all Randy thinks about is pre-teen puntang, so he probably doesn't have much time to really put any effort into anything else.
... Now I have a mental image of Jesus giving juice boxes to preschoolers. Quite a cute image.
But simultaneously, I'm thinking of that one "Tentacle Grape" drink. And yes, it is a real grape drink brand.
Confused?
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