Bianca, I've studied genetics, and can tell you that Bobby is correct. These studies are absolutely asinine, because sharing pieces of genetic code does not equal being related! Evolution holds almost as much water as a smashed vase. Genetically speaking, animals do NOT magically gain information in their DNA... and mutations = LOSING info, not gaining it.... Not sure what's so difficult about this concept?
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Bianca, I read a vague article for elementary students about genetics and I can tell you I don't have a clue what I'm talking about. I haven't even read those studies, because they have big words and I don't know what they mean! Evolution makes my brain hurt. Genetically speaking, mutations both don't exist and are all malign... Not sure why I'm talking about this concept?
"Studied genetics", in this context, means "listened to my pastor, and threw in some shit I made up on my own".
I know what it is. It's bullshit, that's what it is. There's substitution, subtraction, inversion, oh, and here's the fun one, ADDITION/FRAMESHIFT MUTATION. Hrm.
Oh, and the fact that the number of amino acids doesn't really determine the complexity of the organism, since if I remember correctly the DNA of rats have more amino acids than we do, but that one I can't remember if it's genuine or just some little urban legend my biology teachers thought was genuine.
and mutations = LOSING info, not gaining it.... Not sure what's so difficult about this concept?
Go ahead, tell us you've also extensively studied information theory. One more lie won't make things much worse.
Assuming you mean base pairs rather than amino acids, I believe this is the case. It's worth noting that "complexity" is one of those words that creationists like to throw around without ever giving it a rigorous mathematical definition, just trying to hand-wave it to refer to entropy so they can bring the second law of thermodynamics into play.
Not sure what's so difficult about this concept?
Because it's been observed in bacterial colonies, if it's not possible then why does it happen?
Also, genetically speaking, animals (including humans) don't "magically" get poofed into existence by Magic Man(TM)
Mutations = genetic code is altered in some way, whether by gaining, losing, or swapping information. What's so hard to understand about THAT concept?
Nothing's difficult with that concept strawman... It's about as accurate as Gawddidit, but yes, it's lovely and simple and appealling to those that need reassurance isn't it.
P.S. It isn't the tooth fairy that puts a quarter under your pillow. (Ooooh heresy)
Genetically speaking, animals do NOT magically gain information in their DNA...
So basically you agree God doesn't exist! gold star, go to the front of your class Roxy!
Mutations = losing info? ROFL.
Are you sure that when you say you've 'studied genetics', that you actually mean that you took an entry level course that you flunked miserably?
@Dan Onymous: It's the creationist voodoo version of information theory. They might at one point have heard someone talking about Shannon entropy, and just try to fill in the blanks with a lot of hand-waving. It's bad enough for those of us who actually understand the concepts that are being bastardised - all the poor schmucks they're trying to sell books to see is a lot of big impressive-looking words that must be right.
@aaa: LOL, true.
I am the Full Metal Geneticist. I am working on my pHD in Genetics.
Psst... Using genetic code to find murderers works on the same basis... Mutations does not equal losing info for instance I have a beneficial mutation. Also we have viral DNA within our own ADDING DNA.
DNA is a lie-beral myth anyway, since it contradicts a literal reading of that goat-breeding story in Genesis. If you read Genesis literally, you might as well ... oh, I don't know ... read Genesis literally, even the parts that are so absurd that not even you can believe them.
"These studies are absolutely asinine, because sharing pieces of genetic code does not equal being related!"
Correct. But sharing massive amounts of code (98%), in the same order, packed the same way (identical chromosomes, with our ch2 being a fusion of two ape chromosomes), with the same mistakes , and the same viral infections in the same places (>1,000 ERVs in common, where odds against just one match are about 1,000,000:1), does.
"Genetically speaking, animals do NOT magically gain information in their DNA"
Hence they must have been created by some natural process of variation and selection and not by imaginary sky-wizards.
"mutations = LOSING info, not gaining it.... Not sure what's so difficult about this concept?"
Gene duplication?
Roxanne, you didn't read your copy of Goodenough properly. Next time take off the blinkers.
"Bianca, I've studied genetics, and can tell you that Bobby is correct. These studies are absolutely asinine, because sharing pieces of genetic code does not equal being related! Evolution holds almost as much water as a smashed vase. Genetically speaking, animals do NOT magically gain information in their DNA... and mutations = LOSING info, not gaining it.... Not sure what's so difficult about this concept?"
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Miss Bianca: 'Dahling, we mice have 40 chromosomes, that's almost as many as you humans have. But the Indian Fern has 200 chromosomes. Does that mean ferns are superior to Homo Sapiens? Face it, you silly girl, humans are closer to chimpanzees than you imagine. You share SO many genes with them. Therefore Darwin was right all along!'
LOL, if sharing pieces of genetic code ISNT eveidence of relation then I dont know what is. Every court system would have to throw out EVERY DNA evedince they ever did; "This blood on this gun has the exact DNA sequence as yours, but that is not proof that you killed Professor Plum." Yeah right, I can see that happening. DNA is THE MOST evidence to a common ancestry we known of today, and with the world courts using DNA in damn near every case ammounts to legal proof of it!
"Bianca, I've studied genetics,"
Based on everything else you've said you appear to be a Summa Cum Laude graduate of Patriot U.
You've studied genetics. Okay, fine. I've studied religion, but I'm not a pastor. In fact, I can accurately say I've "studied religion" when I really only took Philosophy of Religion and an Old Testament class.
Then explain Down Syndrome, which results from trisomy 23. That's right, people with DS have an EXTRA chromosome, which causes the well-known symptoms.
genetic mutations are caused by incorrect replication of DNA, resulting in omission, replacement, or repetition of genetic code, just as typographical errors can result in missing, substituted, or added letters in a text string. Not sure what's so difficult about this concept.
@Anon-e-moose : You totally win an Internet.
"sharing pieces of genetic code does not equal being related" I think my stupidity filter must have kicked in when I posted earlier because I missed that bit! If you lined up my genetic sequence with those of my parents, I guess you wouldn't see any points of similarity.
Roxanne: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailBiologyForever
"I've studied genetics"
To what level?
It is clear from your post that the only study in genetics you have is the bible that says you can breed striped animals by having them mate in front of striped objects. Fascinating stuff......
"Not sure what's so difficult about this concept? "
I agree, I do not see what is so difficult about understanding evolution. Oh, wait, those little things like science, math, genetics, biology, and chemistry. I understand now why you do not get it.
"mutations = LOSING info, not gaining it.... "
WRONG! Mutation simply means a change. Mutations in DNA can be beneficial, fatal, or have no effect at all. Sometimes "info" is indeed "gained".
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