[I believe gays should have the same right to marry that I, or anybody else does.]
They do! Gays have exactly the same right to marry that you, or anyone else has.
Sadly gays want to choose to marry a same sex partner, and then want society at large to award them for their personal choice. Wow, if we all expected reward for every personal choice we made, can you just imagine the turmoil!
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Um...they're gay for a reason, Trip. To be homosexual you have to be attracted to the same sex. And I don't remember any gays wanting society to award them for their choice, but rather for society to treat them like normal humans, and not "freaks".
Great idea, Trip! Now, do you want one of those lucky opposite-sex partners being married to a gay person to be your daughter, or your sister, or your brother, or maybe even yourself? No? Then you've found the hole in what I will generously call your logic and can work on repairing it.
Wow, if we all expected reward for every personal choice we made, can you just imagine the turmoil!
Don't be coy, Trip. You and others like you expect to be rewarded by the world at large for the personal choice you made concerning your religious beliefs.
They're not being 'awarded' anything, they're just being 'accorded' the same rights as anyone else. It was only a few decades ago that interracial marriage was illegal in many states, the sky didn't fall down when that was changed.
I mean they have the same right to happiness that we have. You know, one of those inalienable rights that are endowned upon man by their creator.
It's in the Declaration of Independence!
It's Sean Hannity discussion... fish. In. Barrel.
He's still an absolute idiot, though. Thanks, wanker. Because I totally want to marry a man... wait a second, no.
[I believe blacks should have the same right to marry that I, or anybody else does.]
They do! Blacks have exactly the same right to marry that you, or anyone else has.
Sadly some Blacks want to choose to marry partner of a different race, and then want society at large to award them for their personal choice. Wow, if we all expected reward for every personal choice we made, can you just imagine the turmoil!
Later on in the thread, JediMindTrick displays his amazing knowledge of the animal world...
Gays don't like cows or donkeys. Aardvarks on the other hand are just their thing with their tough little shells and pretty color but so far they haven't been able to find a single aardvark able to give that little thing called consent so I don't think they'll be marrying them soon either.
Aardvarks do not have shells.
Armadillos do.
Points for effort for being on the side of rationality JediMindTrick, but you may want to review your biology.
if we all expected reward for every personal choice we made, can you just imagine the turmoil!
The freedom to do things isn't a reward. In a free country, people automatically have the right to do anything they want as long as the government doesn't pass a law against it. The government doesn't grant permission; permission is automatic. The government's only power is the power to forbid.
The government should only forbid something when there's a rational reason. There's a rational reason to forbid murder, rape, stealing, etc. All of those things violate the "golden rule" - they harm others. There's no rational reason to forbid gay marriage.
One size fits all, huh?
Ass.
You have the same right to be a Muslim as everyone else does. Don't like it? TOUGH
It's less fun when the logic is put like that, isn't it?
"Gays have exactly the same right to marry that you, or anyone else has."
And people with an allergy to peanuts have the same right to eat as anyone else. We just happen to only be serving PB&J.
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
Anatole France, The Red Lily, 1894
Think about it
MfG
Say you live in a hypothetical country where freedom of religion is not a right granted by the Constitution of that particular place.
You would actually have exactly the same right as everybody else to be a Catholic or an adherent of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. So what's the problem here?
...what's that? You don't believe in that religion? Well, tough! You have the same rights as everybody else to have your own religion, as long as it's the one that somebody else has selected for you beforehand.
By this logic, the right to get married is to be married to someone you don't love. Seeing as gays would be forced to marry someone they don't love.
As a result all marriages should be arranged marriages between a man and a women who do not love each other. That would be fair and equal.
Look it's simple. Either we make gay people have the same rights as straight people...
Or we straight people give up rights to be the same as Gay people.
Which do you think is more sensible?
When same sex marriage becomes legal you will have the same right as anyone else to mary someone of the same sex. Sadly you will still be yapping about homos taking away your rights.
Dexter:
"Think about it"
You're telling a fundie to think about something?
"Gays have exactly the same right to marry that you, or anyone else has."
No they don't, fuckwit. Straight people currently have the right to marry that person with whom they have a committed, fulfilling, romantic relationship.
Gay people, by definition, only have fulfilling romantic relationships with members of the same sex. Therefore, gay people currently do not have the right to marry that person with whom they have a committed, fulfilling, romantic relationship.
This argument is just like Henry Ford's famous statement about the Model T: "You can buy one in any color you want, as long as you want black."
"They do! Gays have exactly the same right to marry that you, or anyone else has.
Sadly gays want to choose to marry a same sex partner, and then want society at large to award them for their personal choice."
So this person's basically saying they can marry anyone they want -- there's nothing stopping you from marrying ANYONE of the opposite sex! There you go! Equal marriage rights!
I fucking hate it when people try to take the piss like that.
Maybe I'm just aging and grumpy, but don't today's kids expect a reward for everything they do, no matter how picayune? I don't have to "imagine the turmoil", I can watch it any time I want in any public place!
Of course, if same-sex marriage is legalized, then it will be another equal right, since you'd be allowed to do it, too.
A numberof the religious do not believe in divorce. And yet, people who get divorced, and remarry, demand that society treat their new marriage as valid. Weird idea that they should get legal proxy, medical proxy, parental access, property rights, all the stuff the first marriage had.
Despite some people saying their god doesn’t want that.
So stuff a large sock in it.
Confused?
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