Albert Einstein’s research in 1917 continually showed that space, matter, and time began from nothing. He became bothered and, in his words, “irritated” with his discoveries because they were taking him right to the unavoidable proof of a supernatural Supreme Being. As a result of his being bothered by these results, he sought to circumvent the idea of God by dividing by zero in his formulas, which was noticed by his colleagues in the 1920s who were checking his data.
Then Edwin Hubble in 1931 invited Einstein out to the Mount Wilson Observatory in California to show Einstein about his discovery of the universe’s expansion and that what Einstein discovered mathematically in his calculations could be seen physically in that space, matter, and time truly came from nothing. Einstein, after looking through the telescope, became convinced of God’s existence and then determined that he must discover the “mind of God” in his scientific research. His theory of relativity has time after time backed up scientific research that concludes there has to be a Creator of the universe and his theory is accurate to more than five decimal points.
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And your source for this is...?
He became bothered and, in his words, “irritated” with his discoveries because they were taking him right to the unavoidable proof of a supernatural Supreme Being.
Why would he be bothered and irritated?
Cretionous redefinitions of terms, part Way Too Many : "checking the data"; The one thing that will topple Evolutionistismy, which is why scientist won't Release The Data. Also, a good way to check someone's math is to look at the data they put into the equations.
It's a happy little fantasy land where Harry lives. There, you're allowed to gesticulate wildly like a chimp who's discovered a secret cache of bananas. There, a delusion fountain plays miserably in the dark as your mind rots to its dismal hissing. In the park a deception tree grows, its branches laden with lies and platitudes that you can happily gnaw all day and all night, enjoying the beguiling taste of their fetid bile. There, reality cannot intrude, for it is forbidden to disturb a plonker in his frolics.
Personally, I would love it if you meatwhistles could provide us with some proof of the undeniable existence of your sky-fairy. After all the "I told you so's!" died down, you might finally shut the fuck up about it.
Then again, you'd probably be even worse...
Einstein came to no such conclusion, you'd love it if he ever once entertained the idea of "I don't know, therefor God" but he didn't. He kept tweeking the math trying to find the solution.
And as they've found since, the reason it won't resolve mathimatically, is all the math related to the physical laws we know fails at the immense gravity of the singularity or what goes on inside a single black hole for that matter.
Well before Einstein died he's on record explaining his use of God as the universe itself, this isn't the same as "I don't know, therefor God" as he never applied a intelligent being who created or controlled all.
He certainly never suggested your Biblical God as being evidenced in any way. Sun Gods are always a more sensible reality as they truly give life or smote it and can't really be reasoned with in any way, they also never write books or involve themselves in dogmatic nonsense.
And your god was created out of.....?
And your god created the universe out of....?
And your god created man out of.....?
All you scoffers should remember that it doesn't matter if the "facts" correspond to "reality".
What's important is that (a) it might be true, and (b) jeebus.
(Gotta admit, I really snickered at the bit Hubble inviting Einstein over, and the two of them taking turns to peer through an eyepiece, wondering at the majesty of Creation. There really is a skill to making bad B movies!
Einstein, as I recall, was a believer when he first started out. I don't know if he remained one.
What bugged him about Relativity wasn't any metaphysical implication it might have had. It was that he couldn't get the math to work out without the cosmological constant that implied that the universe was constantly expanding (which he disagreed with, until the astronomers had to go and conclusively prove it, the killjoys). He also infamously loathed the idea of quantum mechanics, but as you probably know, he lost that one too.
The short of it is, no matter what Einstein believed or didn't believe, his work was not the final word in physics and it was never meant to be. Other, more recent theories and discoveries have refined our view of the universe and, in these, there remains no convincing proof of any "creator", let alone one the Christians would recognize as their own.
he sought to circumvent the idea of God by dividing by zero in his formulas
I may not know much beyond basic algebra, but any kid out of the fourth grade could tell you when you divide by zero the answer is always undefined. I doubt Einstein would make such an amateurish mistake.
Oh look; it's the Happy Lord again.
How do you know so much about what Einstein thought?
I'm no mathematician, but can you really divide by zero? Isn't that like multiplying by zero?
So, do you have any citations for the scientific research that concludes there has to be a Creator of the Universe? Where did that Creator come from, btw; how come HE doesn't need a Creator?
On 22 March 1954 Einstein received a letter from Joseph Dispentiere, an Italian immigrant who had worked as an experimental machinist in New Jersey. Dispentiere had declared himself an atheist and was disappointed by a news report which had cast Einstein as conventionally religious. Einstein replied on 24 March 1954:
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
Actually, as far as I know, the Theory of Relativity does no such thing.
Would you care to explain how you can to this conclusion rather than simply throwing out unjustified assertions?
No, I didn't think so.
If there is, in fact, a supernatural Supreme Being responsible for Reality As We Know It, I very much doubt it will be the jealous and vindictive psychopath worshipped by Christian fundies.
his theory is accurate to more than five decimal points.
What the fuck is this shit? Theories are explanations, not equations.
@Sasha
That, of course, is grade-A technobabble, designed to solve all of life's problems by sounding very impressive while containing no actual facts and making no actual sense whatsoever.
As you can see, it's better suited to TV scripts than theological debates, but every once in a while someone gets it in their head to try anyway.
they were taking him right to the unavoidable proof of a supernatural Supreme Being.
How? Even if something supernatural created the universe 15 billion years ago - and I don't know if Einstein even addressed the origin of the universe - that doesn't imply the existence of a "supernatural Supreme Being". It only implies something supernatural happened 15 billion years ago. And if supernatural powers can create a universe out of nothing, it might not even be 15 million years ago - it could be last week.
There isn't a single fact in that screed other than Einstein having visited Mt. Wilson in 1931. No one has ever come up with experimental data confirming an ex nihilo creation and Einstein didn't attempt to cover up anything by dividing by zero.
The only thing that Einstein "corrected" was his finding predating Hubble and Vesto Melvin Slipher that the universe was expanding. Einstein couldn't accept that and introduced his "cosmological constant" to correct that expansion. He later admitted that was the biggest mistake of his career. But there was no mention of evidence for a creator. If he had found evidence for a creator (with or without the capital "C"), why did he unequivocally state that he was an atheist?
In other words, Harry A. Gaylord just made this crap up. God believers don't need no stinking fact checking!
Einstein, after looking through the telescope, became convinced of God’s existence and then determined that he must discover the “mind of God” in his scientific research.
It looks like it's time (yet again) for my favourite Joseph Ducreux meme...
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I'm beginning to see the beauty of the Bible God system as a way of establishing truth. And you don't need any fancy equipment either. No computers, no labs, no theories, no education, no knowledge and no sanity. All you need is a partially working brain, in as much as it allows you to move bodily parts, controls digestion and excretion, pumps blood, and lets you breathe. In other words, the bare minimum.
It works automatically, too. The instant an image or idea occurs to the brain owner, it doesn't just languish as a personal fantasy, it instantly becomes true, no matter its impossibility or irrationality. Thus reality is enriched by ignorance and stupidity.
Insane mind warp is imagined. Lo! Verily it is true. It's that efficient.
Ah yes, the world of defensive apologetics. Where the gullible are taught that there is nothing to worry about, their faith is true, and all who say otherwise are idiotic vile deceitful moustache twirling villains who tie damsels to railroad tracks and piss in your milk.
...and then one day, Einstein went into his lab and turned on his science machine. He programmed it to tell him the lowest common denominator of the universe. It said lowest common denominator = JESUS!!! He double-checked it and it was accurate to five decimal places! That's when Einstein became a Baptist!
Gaylord, you forgot to add
"Once upon a time..."
"And they lived happily ever after"
@ Pule Thamex
it is forbidden to disturb a plonker in his frolics.
It's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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