Okay. This is a VERY hard thing to think about. Now, are we talking abortion? If so, I view it like this:
If it is a non-abortion situation:
I think that the wife should live. The wife can have another kid. The wife also may have a job, helping support the family. If she died, and the baby lived, the husband may not have enough money to keep the house ect. and keep the baby. If the wife lived, sure, the death of a child is devastating, but she could get over it. She could have another child( if it suits her). Besides, a baby should have BOTH a mother AND a father.
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A bit harsh! Oh no, see, in your attempt to sum up the vast philosophical, ethical and political morass that is Abortion as the women's "responsability", you have just given a death sentence to hundreds of women who don't meet your standards for appropriate behavior.
Because everybody has a house and a working husband and a job they can leave for weeks or months and start at again.
When do you or your hubby to be inherent the trailer? Better hope they didn't reverse mortgage it to the park.
It's the mom's fault she got knocked up, and she needs to take responsability.
Shouldn't the father be executed for murder, then? Or is that a bit too harsh?
So, like just about all fundies, you have a problem with consequence free sex and think that women should be punished with a baby or even death.
And Republicans wonder why people think they're conducting a war on women.
You're never going to be able to keep people from having sex. If "just don't have sex before/outside of marriage" actually worked, then all STD's would be wiped out in a generation. So stop trying to punish women for doing something that so many people enjoy.
30 years ago I drove my landlady to the ER in the middle of the night, with her two kids in the back seat. She was screaming in pain until she went into shock, and I soon was told that she had an ectopic pregnancy that had ruptured. Her husband was off on an oil rig. The operation that saved her life was technically an abortion, though the fetus was doomed anyway. If I had taken her to some Catholic hospitals, she would have been allowed to die rather than remove the tiny ectopic fetus.
It endlessly depresses me when people think that horrible pregnancies, STDs, etc. happen only to unmarried women. This is why I think we should insist on seeing all medical records for a politician's family whenever they make any statement about limiting reproductive freedoms. If you talk the talk, prove to us that you convinced the women in your own family to resist the allure of modern medicine. If you don't have 6 kids, prove to us you're managing that by abstinence alone.
"she needs to take responsibility" apparently does not mean accept that you're pregnant and make an informed decision on how to proceed. Instead, "take responsibility" = accept the pregnancy and die.
What if the mom has other children too? Should she give up her life and leave them motherless?
What if there's no way to save the fetus? Should she give up her life and they both die?
Note the judgmental language: "It's the mom's fault she got knocked up". It's very minimizing and dehumanizing so that you can dismiss her life.
While you're thinking about "very hard things", why don't you contemplate the fact the in the entire drama of conception and birth, the MAN is the only one who ALWAYS has a choice. So don't use that passive-voice concept, "got knocked up" as if it is something that she alone is responsible for. There was another participant, remember?
It's the mom's fault she got knocked up, and she needs to take responsability. So, if the babey could kill her in the pregnancy, let it. ( i know, a bit harsh).
That's just sick, what the hell is wrong with you?
Besides, a baby should have BOTH a mother AND a father.
Unless the mother is a slut and gets knocked up, then she must die.
@nazani14
It didn't work with Tennessee representative Scott DesJarlais, who pressured both his ex-wife and mistress to have abortions (among other things that scumbag has done), several times. Naturally, he's a Republican with a strong pro-life voting record, and he's still in office.
"It's the mom's fault she got knocked up, and she needs to take responsability. So, if the babey could kill her in the pregnancy, let it. ( i know, a bit harsh)."
Whereas, the man can presumably keep spreading his seed, getting more women pregnant, as the onus seems to be on the woman. Besides, not all pregnancies where death is a risk occur during drunken one night stands; many are planned. If you're going to take the view that all pregnancy is irresponsible then perhaps you should start campaigning for lower birth rates amongst Christian families, especially when people praise the Duggars for having such large families.
Once again, I struggle to see how a zygote should trump life regardless of whether the pregnancy was planned or not. Risky pregnancies often prove fatal for the newborn too, so this principled stand will likely see neither the mother or the child survive, all for a principle. To me, this seems contradictory to your claim that you care about life.
It's the mom's fault she got knocked up, and she needs to take responsability. So, if the babey could kill her in the pregnancy, let it. ( i know, a bit harsh).
A bit?
If you're driving recklessly, and you hit me on my bicycle, and I'm dying in the hospital and require a heart transplant, and handwavey stuff about there being no other donors available, are you morally obligated to give me one even though it would kill you to do so?
After all, you chose to drive in a manner that heightened your risk of lethally harming someone.
If your answer isn't an unambiguous, confident 'yes', then how can you say that if I have sex using contraceptives which gave me a low but nonzero chance of pregnancy and an extremely low chance of lethal pregnancy, I somehow am obligated to die for a being that is probably less of a person than I am?
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