(On the Canadian supreme court ruling that catholic prayer in city council meetings is unconstitutional)
I agree with this, the Prayer should be Christian, not Catholic.
Uh. Plenty wrong with it in a secular nation.
Who said we need secular nations?
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Who said we need secular nations?
Hmm - the majority of rational, thinking people, at a guess.
As an lapsed Christian, I need a nation that is respectful of my choice to desert my faith, Nor punish me for my ties to the christian community. That kind of security only comes from the level playing field formed by a secular nation.
Sensible people, the type that know Catholics are Christians, we sure as hell don't need any of you wackadoo end-timer shits at all.
"Where do Protestant fundies get this weird belief that Catholics aren't Christians?"
It's entirely about escaping the histories and atrocities of previous churchs. It's why as time goes by more and more denominations appear all denying any connection to previous churchs yet still claiming to be that olde time religion.
Who said we need secular nations?
Canada is the nation concerned. Canada does not have a state religion. If you don't want a secular nation, don't live in Canada.
"I agree with this, the Prayer should be Christian, not Catholic. "
If catholicism is not christian, then, who the f*ck is the guy on a cross in every church?
Who said we need secular nations?
Actually, you should be the one saying it. Secular governments are what make it possible for Christians like yourself to practice your own brand of the faith. The theocratic societies that you think you want ours to emulate could very easily outlaw your brand if a state brand is established.
What really chafes your willy is the fact that people who don't practice your brand (or Christianity at all - or any religion) have the same right to do their thing as you have to do yours.
Apparently your parents never taught you that you have to share the world (or at least your small area of it) with others. Most adults grok that fact early on even without parental guidance, though. How old are you, hon?
Nations, to function well, need the support of ALL the citizens, and in return ALL the citizens need the respect of their nation. ALL, not just that fraction that clIngs to a particular religion.
For those of you thinking Jumalarik isn't deeming Catholics as Christians, they went on to say that they had a problem with a SPECIFIC denomination's prayer being used. What they want instead is a generic Christian prayer.
EDIT: Uh-oh. Doing recon on the thread, Jumalarik actually gave examples of non-secular nations they consider "great"--Reformed Geneva and Commonwealth England.
"Who said we need secular nations?"
Not gods or goddesses and certainly not Bible God, because they and He don't exist - except in the minds of tail-waggin' numpties.
Perhaps Jumalarik should take a look at several Middle East and African nations that are run by religion. Those countries* are brutal to those who don't follow their laws.
*Christian and Islamic governments
"Who said we need secular nations?"
Basically, everyone with a working bullshit detector. Doesn't prevent it from going off, but it sure keeps it from getting fried once a week.
As a Canadian, if you don't like that it is unconstitutional, then TFB :P. As a neutral country, it should be at least a neutral non-religious/denominational oath.
If you moved to Spain, or any other Catholic country, you'd expect to be able to practice your sub-branch of Christianity (Catholicism is a sect of Christianity, silly) openly. That alone should lead you into thinking why secularism is beneficial.
Did you hear about the outfit which want to establish a country where the tenets of their religion would reign supreme, called the "Islamic State"?
@Skyknight
Reformed Geneva and Commonwealth England
Both states known for their brutality against religious dissenters, along with the witch hunts, which make us hope Jumalarik never hold any position of power.
@solomongrundy
During the Reformation things got violent and bloody for both sides. Both side made wild allegations about each other in retaliation, and a lot of it stuck. The Catholics don't seem as bad about it today as they used to be, but then again I live in the Bible Belt and they are an extreme minority here, so that could be why.
I'm sure the fundies are all jealous of our state church but the UK is pretty much as secular as it comes.
Nobody is forced to belong to a religion, nobody is barred from practicing a religion. And our right-wing politicians - vicious pleb-hating bastards though they are - fortunately aren't as insane as the American conservatives and have completely banned the teaching of creationism as science in schools.
"(On the Canadian supreme court ruling that catholic prayer in city council meetings is unconstitutional) "
I agree with this, the prayer should be islamic, not christian.
@solomongrundy:
"Where do Protestant fundies get this weird belief that Catholics aren't Christians? OK, I've heard of J.M.Carroll's 'The Trail of Blood' but they can't all be Landmarkists."
Centuries ago the catholic church put protestants in torture dungeon. Some protestants fled to America to avoid this, teaching their children about the catholics who persecuted True Cristians. 400 years later the tale about Satans Catholics persecuting True Christians has become the Truth of True Christains.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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