Elias Vasquez #fundie

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2 billion deaths as a result of false beliefs in the history of the world before Jesus

2 and 1/2 million in 2000 years. on comparison to the rest of our recorded history.

Does that sound like a failure or ONE HELL OF A SUCCESS.

And he still promises more to come.

Most people like to take a view that supports their own interpretation without looking at the big picture.

Look at the big picture. Look at the world without Jesus and the number of Dead bodies. Then Look at the world with Jesus and count again. Belief in Jesus has been the biggest deterrent to religious killings in world history.

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old comment by Horsefeathers

"2 billion deaths as a result of false beliefs in the history of the world before Jesus

2 and 1/2 million in 2000 years. on comparison to the rest of our recorded history. "

Your source for this is what?

"Does that sound like a failure or ONE HELL OF A SUCCESS."

It sounds made up and irrelevant.

"And he still promises more to come."

So?

"Most people like to take a view that supports their own interpretation without looking at the big picture."

I prefer to look at evidence, of which you've provided none.

"Look at the big picture. Look at the world without Jesus and the number of Dead bodies. Then Look at the world with Jesus and count again. Belief in Jesus has been the biggest deterrent to religious killings in world history."

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Nice try though.

old comment by SpukiKitty

LADIES & GENTS, POINT BY POINT REBUTTAL TIME!:

[2 billion deaths as a result of false beliefs in the history of the world before Jesus]

How would YOU know, bub? Oh, it would be COUNTLESS human deaths before Jesus since the planet is BILLIONS of years old! As for the "False Belief" thing, you're an idiot and *drum roll*...CITATION NEEDED!

[2 and 1/2 million in 2000 years. on comparison to the rest of our recorded history.]

First, CITATION NEEDED....Second, The Earth's billions of years old & your Genesis story is just a myth & a metaphor....Third, CRUSADES, INQUSITIONS, WITCH HUNTS, POGROMS, THE HOLOCAUST, IMPERIALISM, SLAVERY...Yadayadayada & so on...Your argument would have merit if Christians actually LIVED & PRACTICED Jesus' message, example & ethical teachings...But they didn't so there!

[Does that sound like a failure or ONE HELL OF A SUCCESS.]

No, it's mostly a faliure because his followers ignore him & pay only lip service...there are many exceptions but you'd reject them as "Commie/Pinko/Satanist/Baby-Eating Whatever".

[And he still promises more to come.]

More what? People not dying? Inquisitions? Gamera Movies? Post Nasal Drip? "Jerry Springer" reruns? Farting Elephants? WHAT? WHAAAAT?!!

[Most people like to take a view that supports their own interpretation without looking at the big picture.]

My...what a lovely mirror you have!

[Look at the big picture. Look at the world without Jesus and the number of Dead bodies. Then Look at the world with Jesus and count again. Belief in Jesus has been the biggest deterrent to religious killings in world history.]

So apparently, Christians ACTUALLY FOLLOWED Jesus & the Inquisions, Pogroms, Nazi Death Camps, N. Ireland infighting, Witch Hunts, Crusades & all that bananas never happned....and I hang with Elvis in a UFO piloted by Howard Hughes & WWN's Bat Boy and visit Nessie's house in the Mushroom Kingdom to for "Yahtzee" with him/her/it & Cthulhu.

old comment by Xotan

Elias Vasquez? Are you the get of some baptist missionaries in south America? If so you need deprogramming.

forget your 2,000 years before Jesus, if he ever existed. Think more like 4 billion. You Holey Bubble is a mind twisting load of bullshit.

Belief in Jesus was responsible for the Crusades and the inquisition and the concentration camps of WW II and the terrible holocaust of Jews Homosexuals, Romany and others considered 'undesirables'.

A final point, since you ignore the religious dimension of Nazism, you will have no grounds for bjection if you should ever find yourslef in a concentration camp.

BTW, we've just had one more failed promise of jesus's return. Are you making another bogus promise?

old comment by Jockaira

African and Hindu historians estimate that due to Muslim invasions, occupations, forced conversions, and institutional slavery the death toll in India was about 80 million over a five hundred year period and in Africa about 110 million over about 1,000 years. European historians estimate that due to religious wars, genocides of heretics etc, and systemitized slavery the death toll in Europe approached 100 million in about 1,000 years. If you add in the deaths from disease, caused in large part by Catholicism's antithetical hostility to scientific knowledge, that would probably add another 100 in the same millenium.

The approximate deaths of another 70 million in WWI and WWII in Europe is the tailend of Christian endeavour to slaughter non-believers, and in the Pacific, the divine personage of Hirohito presided over the deaths of another 15 million and the enslavment of millions more.

In the 20th Century your only significant "atheistic totalitarian regimes" were Red China, and the USSR that lost 35 millions of its people to the righteous Christian Nazis. Nationalist China (an essentially Confucian society, therefore atheist) lost millions of its people to the God-driven minions of the Japanese militarists.

Today in the 21st Century, about 95% of all wars, killing, and genocides involve Muslims against Christians and Polytheists, and Muslims against other Muslims.

If you have the time, further reading and research will find many other millions of deaths directly caused by religion.

I could have gone on and on, but what's the point? It is obvious that using only the body count, that religion is the worst thing that's ever happened to the human race.

old comment by He Who Doubts

Nobody would have to settle for a 'mere' 2,500,000 dead bodies in 2000 years if Jesus were anything like the omnipotent loving Lord you say he is; Jesus would be able to simply stop all religiously inspired death period. So no I'm not at all impressed with this shit. Given the option between calling 2.5 million corpses a failure or ONE HELL OF A SUCCESS, I'll choose to adopt perspective C: a sorrowfully embarrassing bullshit failure.

I'd like to point out that people on the overall excel at killing each other, and this is no less true of secularists; North Korea has an official religious stance of atheism, and they kill dozens of South Koren sailors every now and then with a naval boat sinking. Regardless, globally adopted secularism could never be a religious cause of mass death, making the reality of such a world-view the solution to the problem.

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