If I saw the Holy Spirit "come upon" a gay person, I would expect that gay person to no longer be gay. So that would tell me that God does have a problem with it.
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"If I saw the Holy Spirit "come upon" a gay person, I would expect that gay person to no longer be gay."
Can innuendo ever be more blatant than this and still not be obvious to the person writing it?
Sorry to burst your hate bubble. I was raised as a Southern Church of God follower. At the time, I experienced the Holy Spirit - all the while dealing with my homosexuality.
It was the Church's stance on being gay that drove me away - not God. I came to know that "God doesn't make junk". SO if God was OK with me, it was the CHurch that was srewed up.
Wait, so suddenly God has to follow *your* expectations?
What you just said is that God must have a problem with something because *you* expect him to. I'm going to make a wild assumption here and guess that this is because you have a problem with it.
Isn't it strange when God seems to hate everything you hate and love everything that you do? God forbid a situation comes up when God condones something you don't, or you happen to do something God doesn't like.
But that's impossible, isn't it? After all, something you've warped to your own perception can't disagree with you.
Dude, you can believe anything you want, but when you spout stuff like this with only your own opinion as evidence, you have to remember that it's just, well... YOU.
Seriously, you can't make broad, sweeping statements like that with nothing behind them. Well, you can, but so can I. Check it:
If I saw the Holy Spirit "come upon" a gay person, I would expect that the two of them would share a high five of mutual respect and a box of Heaven donuts. So that would tell me that God doesn't have a problem with it, and also loves donuts.
See what I did there? And it has precisely the same merits are the statement above, so by your own logic, it's TRUE! RAINBOW POWER! :D
How on earth did you get from
"I would expect "
to
"God does have a problem"?
The first sentence is about what you imagine would happen, in a hypothetical. The second generalises that to what God thinks, in real life, right now. The only possible explanation is that you think your idiot expectations are somehow binding on God. They're not.
A christian told me that he thought God loves homosexuals more than others, because they have to endure all this suffering.
Even as an atheist, I like this thinking.
Joe is a presumptive fool.
According to Orthodox Jews, God has a problem with eating shrimp. According to Muslims, he has a problem with your not facing Mecca when you talk to him. According the Roman Catholics, you have to eat a magic wafer now and then. It's funny how god always seems to agree with whatever stuff we humans make up.
No True Scotsman FTW!!
Next ...
I don't know about your holy spirit. I have, however, seen two men pledge to love, abide and protect each other for life in a legally recognized marriage ceremony. No one who watched this event could deny the sincerity of their pledge. That was enough to convince me that no one, mundane or celestial, has the right to deny them their happiness.
You should have been there Joe. It might have given even you something to think about.
If I saw the Holy Spirit "come upon" a gay person
That would be the porn flick of the decade!
The internet would explode.
I was about to mock this guy for thinking his expectations are evidence, but then I noticed he said "would". Not "tells me", WOULD tell me. He's making a falsifiable prediction! Moronic though his position may be, he's being honest enough to try and actually work out what might disprove his hypothesis, in the best scientific tradition.
So, the fact that you /think/ the Holy Spirit would make somebody straight...is indicative that God hates gays?
Is that what you're trying to say?
Because no, honey, logic does not work that way.
@Tempus
I know that comic is intended to be moving, but I find it strange that anyone, let alone homosexuals, would want to quote from the Old Testament as part of their wedding vows; a book that, aside from being one of the most violent, miserable and misanthropic literary works in human history, is generally religious fundamentalists' favorite excuse for gay-bashing in the first place.
@Raised by Horses, you make a good point but the gay community is not immune from the concept of cognitive dissonance any more than the population at large. Personally, I think that with the world of literature available to us, using any biblical verse in a commitment ceremony of any sort (marriage/handfasting/civil union and straight/gay) demonstrates a laziness that might not bode well for the union...
Of course the books of Ruth and Esther stand out among the books of the OT not only because they are the only books named for women but also because the former is a thinly veiled lesbian love story (or at the very least, inspiration for Thelma and Louise) and the latter makes no mention of god at all.
If I saw the Holy Spirit "come upon" a gay person...
Well, then, we don't have to worry about this argument because it will never happen.
@Raised by Horses
homosexuals, would want to quote from the Old Testament as part of their wedding vows
Methinks you didn't get the point. The people in the pictures aren't using that quote as part of their vows. The quote is being visualized with "unexpected" images.
First one reads the words and sees the pictures and thinks "awh, how lovely" only to find out at the end that it's from the Old Testament. The reader is intentionally led down a wrong path.
The point is to show that scripture can mean something totally different than the "expected", depending on the circumstances. Apparently it can be used to demonstrate the presence of lesbian love and devotion in the Old Testament, if pushed in that direction. That should get the fundamentalists screaming and bitching.
[note to self: when trying to make a point on the internet, keep it as absolutely simple and straight forward as possible; don't expect your reader to be able to think and certainly not to be able to understand irony, reductio ad absurdum , or indirect logic.]
Proving things with thought experiments is fun!
If I saw the Invisible Pink Unicorn "come upon" a person named Joe, I would expect that person to no longer be named Joe. So that would tell me that the Invisible Pink Unicorn does have a problem with it.
Confused?
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