[Russell Moore saw Avengers 2 and apparently thinks Hawkeye having a traditional family meant the filmmakers all secretly want that.]
It’s interesting to me that Hawkeye’s “traditional” family life is seen as countercultural, in the best sense of that word. For the past two or three generations, the heroes in popular culture were often trying to escape the stifling “conformity” of the nuclear family. In this movie, though, conformity seems to be girlfriends and boyfriends and, implicitly, sex and romance, but not marriage and family. A family of husband and wife with children, that is more surprising than artificially intelligent robots, suspended animation, or Gamma-radiated monsters.
Perhaps this is a signal of a bit of longing for something different. As I’ve said many times before, the Sexual Revolution can’t keep its promises. The breakdown of families doesn’t bring the liberation some think. Those of us who believe in the old ways need to nourish these habits and practices, not only in obedience to God and not only for our own flourishing, but for the sake of generations to come. Families, designed according to the pattern held together in Christ, will seem odd and strange and freakish, but sometimes odd and strange and freakish is exactly what people are looking for.
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You are confusing fiction with real life, Russell. Gotta have a little drama in there somewhere or people won't pay to watch it. I haven't seen that one, but in movies and TV, "traditional marriage" means "this is a hero who is straight and appealing to women". A lot of times these are throw-away secondary cast members, and can be kidnapped or killed or divorced whenever necessary for the story line, leaving our hero heartbroken but available. Do NOT confuse this scenario with your life, in any way.
The problem with not being objective is that you are likely to see that wich you fear, or that wich you desire to see. Look up pareidolia, confirmation bias and patternicity. Then learn to be as objective as you can and try to discern what you're actually looking at. Just sayin'.
The family reveal was surprising because it was a complete departure from both comicbook!Hawkeye and what we had seen so far from movieverse!Hawkeye as well.
I was extremely wary when Hawkeye's family was revealed. Fandom has a long history of villainizing any woman who dares "get in the way" of their favored ships (whether gay or straight) I was very happily surprised when the Avengers fandom seemingly embraced Mrs. Barton. Granted, they still might make her Hawkeyes' sister or sister-in-law or just turn their OTP into an OT3, as 1906277 pointed out, but there's a refreshing lack of fics/pics which make her into a cheater/abuser/psychopath.
There is nothing wrong with the traditional family. No one is saying there is. Simply its not the only type of family and the other types are not instantly bad.
I don't know what movie you were watching but Hawkeye's family was not seen as countercultural.
Thor & Loki, after what the latter did to the nucleus of the former's family.
Methinks you're looking a little too deeply into things; it's just a 'popcorn movie'. But if you want me to do the same, okay. But it's your funeral:
Buggargate. Buggargate II: Electric Buggarloo. Buggargate II: Revenge of the Sin . After last year, the concept of the 'Nuclear' Family is as toxic as Chernobyl.
But thank you for giving me an alternative: along with the Fusion Family & Antimatter Family, Tony Stark, being the genius he - or should I say he, but mostly Pepper Potts - has given us the Arc Reactor Family.
"obedience to God"
Loki tried that in Stuttgart. Black Widow, Captain America, and ultimately Iron Man put him in his place; I refer you to the latter: Judges 1:19, and all that jazz. Or should I say, Heavy Metal. [/AC/DC]
I also refer you to The Hulk, after making Loki consider himself fucking lucky he wasn't left in a two -dimensional state.
Just like your entire argument: 'Puny '
That movie!Hawkeye has a home and a family is remarkable because people in his line of work (i.e. secret agent/superhero) usually don’t have this, because it is too dangerous for the family. (And maybe it even was a small “Take that” to Marvel Comics’ people in charge, because they seem to think married superheroes cannot be interesting
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I think part of the whole family thing with Hawkeye in that movie was to further reinforce that, in a team with literal gods, monsters and supermen, he's just a regular guy with a regular life and a slightly-less-than-regular 9-5 job.
@#1906277
<Except, in the first Avengers movie Loki peers into Hawkeye's heart, sees his dearest wishes and darkest fears, and finds the thing he loves the most is... Black Widow>
My standing theory on that is that his feelings for Nat are closer to best friends or siblings. He might love her most, but that could be a by-product of everything they had been through together even prior to the first Avengers movie, it doesn't necessarily have to be romantic love.
Isn't it interesting that the (mostly male) heroes of the past have apparently found family life stifling?
Longing for stifling conformity? Are you?
What promises can't the Sexual Revolution keep? That men and women can have sex without being married?
What families have broken down? The only thing that have changed is that people now split up to form new (and happier) families, instead of hating/ignoring each other while living together for the rest of their lives.
Almost everyone I know lives in a family with husband and wife and children. That kind of mundane normality can hardly be seen as odd and strange and freakish.
Oh FFS, a movie is just telling a story. Not all story tellers fill their narratives with all sorts of hidden meanings.
And since when in this country have traditional families been seen as counterculture or something strange and unusual? Just about everyone I know has a traditional family, including my six siblings. The idea that liberals are trying to destroy the traditional family is just a conservative conspiracy theory.
Does this moron have nothing else to do with his time, & is analyzing an Avengers movie? Not at my most bored & restless would I ever waste my time doing that.
I liked Hawkeye's family. They seemed quite normal, given the environment they lived in.
"For the past two or three generations, the heroes in popular culture were often trying to escape the stifling “conformity” of the nuclear family."
Examples, please? I mean, yeah, there's Tony Stark's blatant womanizing, but other than that, who are these pop culture heroes who try to escape from the nuclear family? I don't want action/super heroes who can't have a family because they're too busy/the family would get kidnapped.
@Oxymoron's Razor
Same person who pointed out the Hawkeye's heart thing here. I was mostly poking holes in the OP's idea. There is a fanon theory that Clint and Natasha set it up so that if either was ever captured and brainwashed a secondary layer of training would kick in. The enemy would think they're each other's greatest weakness instead of Laura and the kids.
I also like them as an OT3. I think they could be a healthy example of a polyamorous relationship. You don't see a lot of it in canon or fanon.
Either way, I'm very happy with how well the fandom embraced the Barton clan.
Slightly off topic, but I first saw this movie with a friend who had already watched it. As the jet touched down at Hawkeye's home, just before the family was revealed, he leaned over and said "Two words for you, Joss Whedon." After first thinking they would break into song, I remembered what Joss does to happy couples. I spent the rest of the movie waiting for him to buy it for the crime of being in a happy relationship
Marvel is full of characters who marry--the Fantastic 4 has Reed and Sue, Spiderman was married, X-Men's scott and Jean, etc. Many don't marry to avoid what the Punisher went through, the slaughter of that family due to his anti-crime activities. Just like in the real world, some people marry and some don't. And frankly, if I was working all day and fighting crime all night, I probably wouldn't have time for asocial life.
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