I'd check out the book "Evolutions Achilles heels", so that you can at least grasp where I'm coming from.
[and i love how god intelligently designed a bug specifically to eat human brains and how sometimes babies are born without brains. actually, the abortion debate would probably be a lot easier for you if god didn't make it so that there are so many dead at birth babies. maybe he should have designed them better? i dunno. i guess he works in mysterious ways, and the mysterious way just so happens to be brainless babies. bit of an own goal there for team god. ]
These things are caused by the fall of man. Originally, all was perfect. These things entered the world though sin.
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These things are caused by the fall of man. Originally, all was perfect.
by mentioning sin, you prove your version of ID isn't scientific theory, but Christian creationism.
All scientific theories are constantly being "looked at" and tried and tested and refined. That's what science is all about, silly!
Opinions are like assholes; everybody's got one. There isn't even a shred of evidence for cretinism. (What? You get to use made up words like "evolutionists" but we can't use made up words like "cretinists"?)
Where you're coming from? Is that book more or less stupid and ill-informed than Behe in the Kitzmiller vs Dover trial, or Ben Stein's Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed?
Is your god omnipotent? Then he ought to be able to fix those things, regardless of "falls" or "sins".
There is not natural method by which the decision of one man and one woman to disobey the deity could result in a change to the physical properties of other organisms (e.g. changing an herbivore into a carnivore). It also can't change the behavior of their descendants. For something like that, supernatural intervention is required. That means that either God corrupted his own creation, or he allowed the devil to do so, which amounts to the same thing.
Your opinion is irrelevant. Reality has nothing to do with opinions, be they yours, mine, or scientists'.
The perfect world by it's very nature is unprovable. The perfect world was a world without death, without decay and ruin. There would ne no evidence of it's existence by it's very nature. You need pure faith in the bible to accept the idea of a perfect world.
That's not good enough for me.
"sometimes babies are born without brains"
Exhibit A: Killidash, contributor to the Nationstates website
"Intelligent design is a reality, in my opinion..."
Reality is not contingent upon, nor does it care about, your opinion.
You just don't get it. Evolutionary scientists are well aware of the unknowns and conflicts in the Theory of Evolution. They simply aren't stupid enough to assume that not being able to explain some detail (like the third knuckle of the yellow-footed lemur) doesn't mean we have to throw out everything we know and start from scratch. The Theory of Gravity failed to explain the orbit of Mercury. But rather than throw it out and pursue intelligent falling, scientists simply updated the theory. That's how science has always worked. And even if science DID throw out ToE, why would it adopt an untestable, immeasureable, unfalsifiable idea like inelligent design that explains nothing and defies any challenge with handwaving?
[and i love how god intelligently designed a bug specifically to eat human brains and how sometimes babies are born without brains. actually, the abortion debate would probably be a lot easier for you if god didn't make it so that there are so many dead at birth babies. maybe he should have designed them better? i dunno. i guess he works in mysterious ways, and the mysterious way just so happens to be brainless babies. bit of an own goal there for team god.]
These things are caused by the fall of man. Originally, all was perfect. These things entered the world though sin.
Yup, just like that. When confronted with the idea that the design isn't so intelligent you just come up with excuses. Or have you somehow quantified sin?
Wow! Intelligent Design, God working in mysterious ways, The Fall of Man, sin...what refreshing alternate viewpoints to evolution.heard of them until now. It must mean...wait...I know... Jesus!
"Originally, all was perfect. These things entered the world though sin."
So, God's intelligent design wasn't intelligently designed. Got ya.
What a well thought and scientific viewpoint. Dead babies are caused by a magical snake telling a woman to pick a fruit. How very very very scientific. *sarcasm*
This is why we don't consider your view point, it has all the same evidence as Apollo's chariot carrying the sun across the sky. What's more we have evidence against it. Its wishful thinking at best, more accurately its bronze age mythology
"These things are caused by the fall of man. Originally, all was perfect. These things entered the world though sin."
Because your vengeful god couldn't just FORGIVE, he had to hold it against his entire creation for eternity? Even newborn babies are tainited with "original sin"? Infinite punishment for a finite crime; sounds just, merciful, fair, and loving.
Or, the antithesis of that.
I don' recall "ruthlessly attacking alternate viewpoints." Hell, I don't recall the subject of evolution ever coming up outside of an academic environment. When I was young I tried to work it into a pick-up line, but had to fall back on "What's your sign?"
I love how creationists never, ever look at their bible's flaws, inconsistencies, and lies, and ruthlessly attack all alternate viewpoints. Evolution is a fact and a theory and is a reality, and it is backed by a substantial amount of scientific evidence.
OK, got it, good things are god, bad things are sin. Big whoop-ti-do. Got the argument rigged there, don't you!
Attack the other viewpoints?
Show me a creationist argument that does not say "evolution is wrong because X Y Z"
And err... Theories don't have flaws, or they would be hypotheses.
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Sure they do. As we gain more knowledge, we can see errors that weren't visible before. It's recognizing and fixing the flaws that leads to better theories.
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