ACTION: If your county approved Prop. 22, please call your county clerk immediately. Urge him or her not to issue marriage licenses to anyone but a man and a woman. Urge your county clerk to:
“Do what’s right, maintain public order, uphold the marriage statutes, and respect the democratic process by NOT issuing any ‘same-sex marriage’ licenses until the people decide this issue in November. Please enforce the marriage statutes and Proposition 22, which both say marriage is only for a man and a woman. Decline to go along with the court’s nonsense. The separation of powers provision of the California Constitution prohibits the court from legislating from the bench. That's why even Chief Justice Ron George told the L.A. Times he didn't know whether his ruling would be accepted."
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Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they? At the Nuremberg trials, they would have been convicted of murder for following this immoral order. And should have states obeyed the 1857 Dred Scott decision designating black slaves as "property," not "persons"? Abraham Lincoln reacted with disgust to the ruling and was spurred into political action, publicly speaking out against it. Several state legislatures essentially nullified the decision and declared that they would never permit slavery within their borders, no matter who ordered them to do so. Likewise, the ruling to destroy the man-woman definition of marriage should not be obeyed.
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“Do what’s right...
Do what's right...or do what's right for you ?
Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer...
I believe the traditional response at this point is "Godwin!"
Oh, and FAIL!!
For those who are interested there is a site which makes a comparison of the near-lock-step between a particular Nazi anti-Jew propoganda film and fundie anti-gay propoganda. I'm not saying the anti-gay fundies are Nazi-based--just that there are still lessons to be learned from history.
http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/hitler.html
So... NOT oppressing the gays is like being a Nazi persecuting Jews, gays, Poles, and gypsies (among others)? In what Alternate Reality?
"Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they? At the Nuremberg trials, they would have been convicted of murder for following this immoral order. And should have states obeyed the 1857 Dred Scott decision designating black slaves as "property," not "persons"? Abraham Lincoln reacted with disgust to the ruling and was spurred into political action, publicly speaking out against it. Several state legislatures essentially nullified the decision and declared that they would never permit slavery within their borders, no matter who ordered them to do so. Likewise, the ruling to destroy the man-woman definition of marriage should not be obeyed."
To connect up the idea of marrying two men or two women on the same moral level as genocide and slavery is to trivalise some of the most tragic moments of recent human history.
Damn ... you are a hatefull nasty lot, aren't you ?
I'd vote for anti-immigration laws against christian Americans to the Netherlands any day.
Truly, you and extremist muslims should join up, you have exactly the same demented and hatefull worldview :(.
(and to think that you lot are excempt from the assimilation exams(inburgeringscursussen) they instituted for immigrants a few years back, I'm absolutely certain not one of you would stand even te remotest chance of passing these)
Wow. Really?? Talk about living in Bizarro land. I'm rather sick of these idiots thinking they're being attacked if they're not allowed to oppress people they disagree with.
Campaign for Children and Families: Unless you're gay, then you don't count.
Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they?
Then ask them if they would gas homosexuals. Cause, you know, the Nazis gassed 100,000 of them.
Then point out that, while not as extreme, denying marriage is in the spirit of the Nazi actions and supported by the same blokes (always blokes), not to mention totally immoral and wrong.
And gay marriage is not illegal- any gay man or woman can enter into a de facto relationship with whoever they like. Gay marriage is discriminated against.
I saw the word "Nazi" followed by someone questioning homosexual rights.
Have these people ANY knowledge of history...? Anything at all?
As for respecting "the democratic process"... this respects it how? Who does this harm?
Jerks.
paranoid, homophobic, logicless, godwin using, history revisionist, huh?
Because mass murder is a lot like marriage.
Also I like how he tries to discredit a court decision that outlaws bigotry by comparing it to a court decision that legalised bigotry.
Also I like how the Nazis outlawed marriage between jews and germans.
Godwin. I really wish there were another evil being in the 20th century so they could at least mix it up a bit.
I still don't get the fundie/bigoted argument that a marriage between two men or two women will destroy marriage between a man and a woman? Someone else's marriage has zero impact on my marriage. It's an argument without basis and one that has been jumped on - which is evidence enough that people have no fucking idea what they are rambling about.
Firstly... Don't demean the holocaust by comparing it to your petty hatred.
Secondly... Nazis gassed homosexuals right alongside the jews.
Thirdly... County Clerks are members of the law. If you don't do your job, you get fired. If you are hired as a till worker at Wallmart and you refuse to touch money, then you are going to be fired. The law is what you follow.
Fourthly... How is this oppressing anyone? Gay people can achieve the same rights as married couples by something called a will and testament and indeed a power of attorney agreement. These waste the government money since people can fight these in court wasting tax payer time and money, since you may as well shove them on a marriage register and save a whole bunch of money on court fees arguing these things.
It sickens me how they see them having to treat people equally as on par with the suffering of blacks and jews.
YOU are not being persecuted. YOU are not the ones being attacked, and abused and MURDERED for who you are.
FUCK you.
"Ask your county clerk if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they? At the Nuremberg trials, they would have been convicted of murder for following this immoral order."
They'd have been shot for not following it.
What does this have to do with letting gays get married?
"Mein Fuhrer, we have a new plan for eliminating the Jews!"
"What is it, Herr Goering?"
"We will herd them into camps and force them to get gay married. Then their children will turn into gays and stop having their own children!"
Jeez, all this gays marrian buniss got dem fundies all talkative and the like.
Seriously, its like the floodgates of homophobic fundementalism have opened.
Their anger sustains me.
"And should have states obeyed the 1857 Dred Scott decision designating black slaves as "property," not "persons"?"
They did obey it.
The Dred Scott ruling didn't make slavery legal anywhere that it wasn't already legal. What it DID do, however, was require escaped slaves to be returned to their owners, even if the slave escaped into a state where slavery was illegal.
The Northern states all complied with the Dred Scott ruling by dutifully returning slaves who had escaped from Southern slaveholders.
We're going to be hearing this argument for a while, that the court overstepped its bounds by legislating from the bench. The California legislature tried several times to make gay marriage legal through legislation, but the Guvinator vetoed it every time. The court was upholding the legislature and the legislative will, not going against it.
Lay off the stimulants, see your doctor ASAP, and get on some Ritalin.
The ban being lifted doesn't mean you have to marry someone of the same sex, twit.
I like to think that if any of them had actually visited the site of a real Nazi concentration camp they'd be less apt to make such frivolous comparisons, but I fear even that might be giving them too much credit. Also, I love how they bring up slavery when you just know their support is strongest in the states that went to war in defence of their "right" to keep slaves.
The melodrama of comparing gay marriage to the Holocaust and slavery. Hmm. Aside from the Swiss cheese logic, you just horribly insulted Jews and blacks, not to mention gays.
All the more reason why you shouldn't be respected.
The thing that gets me is;
"if they were a Nazi officer during WWII and had been ordered to gas the Jews, would they?"
Yes, they would, because they would be a NAZI officer. It's kinda their thing. Now if they were a GERMAN officer, then it's up for debate. But you didn't differentiate Nazi from German. Just like you can't tell "gay" from "busy-fingered priest".
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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