I've been helping with babies and daycares since I was 3 and a half. I could have easily cared for a child when I was 12. I have a daughter. If she were raped and impregnanted, abortion would not be an option and if her life were in immediate danger then it would be a c-section and hoping the baby was far enough along to survive. I would not for a moment associate the baby with a rapist. I would be perfectly willing to raise the child if my daughter wasn't up to it or if she couldn't stand the thought of being aroud the child because of memories i'd find a good family willing to have an open adoption. A baby is a baby. I'm not religious. I'm agnostic and have been since I was 7. I've loved babies since I can remember and animals too. Not every pro-life person is religious. If I had to pick a religion it would be buddhism because I believe in reincarnation and I think all life is important. I feel guilty picking a flower. All life is important. You can't decide which of the two lives is more important. This girl could do something that results in a cure for cancer or could just lead a completely worthless life while the child you want dead could be the next saint or cure cancer. What makes you think you should be able to decide anything or that you're in any way right?
By the way, I was fully grown by 12. I haven't grown an inch in any way since aside from changes from actually getting pregnant. I know lots of teen moms who have done just fine. They would have been just as good or bad of parents later as they are now. I just saw IB's comment. I'm an independent but you're my kind of person. lol.
P.S. I just want one grandkid out of my children. Period. The less they have, the more resources that can get passed down, and the more wealth my offsprings' offspring can amass. I want my decendants to be rich and I have a savings plan that equals 1 million dollars by the time my husband and I die. Yay!
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The body is not ready to have a child at 12, stupid!
What if YOU were raped and became pregnant? Not just young women are rape, ya know. Little old ladies are too.
I don't think I should be able to decide anything for other people, that's precisely why I'm pro-choice.
I bet you've grown a bit wider since the age of 12. The hips of a child is not wide enough to carry or give birth to a fully grown fetus.
I know a teen dad. He's a much better dad to his later children than he was able to be for his first son. He split up with the mother of his first son shortly after the child was born. I don't think I know any teen moms. Most people over here wait until they have enough financial stability before they have children.
What if your children get pregnant more than once; do you condone abortion then? What if they have a child and then gets raped and impregnated with twins? I bet an "open" abortion still means the child is to inherit its birth parents.
The one who has the most when he dies wins?
I don't have any children at all. My "wealth" will go to my siblings and my nephews and nieces, or to the Swedish Inheritance Fund if none of them are alive then. That's why I focus on having a good life now, and an adequate pension when I retire; that's all I need.
I would not for a moment associate the baby with a rapist.
Your daughter, on the other hand... But who cares about her, right?
while the child you want dead could be the next saint or cure cancer.
Or he could be the next Hitler or Jeffrey Dahmer. I notice your lot never brings up the flip side of that argument.
I want my decendants to be rich and I have a savings plan that equals 1 million dollars by the time my husband and I die.
So basically you want your kids to be fighting over your estate. Which often happens in those cases.
...I want to strangle this "person". I want to strangle, mutilate and then burn this "person"! Not necessarily in that order.
HOW CAN YOU BE SO SELFISH AND EVIL!? YOU SHOULD BE LOCKED UP FOR LIFE AND BANNED FROM REPRODUCING, YOU MONSTER!
P.S.: Nobody is fully grown by 12 years, dumbass. Not becoming any taller =/= fully grown, imbecile!
Fine, and I will accept that. It's a choice. If you want to keep a child and always want to keep a child I respect that choice. The problem is forcing your choice on others. As much as you ignore it the pro choicer are NOT forcing people to choose abortion but you pro lifers are doing everything in your power to take away choice.
I am a pro choicer that means I respect people's choice to keep their child too. the idea that choicers only care about abortion is a lie that really pisses me off.
You feel guilty picking a flower, but you don't give a shit if your daughter hemorrhages and dies or suffers deep emotional trauma and loses her childhood because you forced her to incubate a rapist's sperm.
And lots of girls stop gaining height after they hit puberty; that is not the same thing as being "full grown". You were NOT full grown at 12, although it appears your mental development may have stopped then.
"I'm an Independent"
Bullshit. Everything you say reveals that you're a Republican who's lying to sound more reasonable. Let me guess, you "listen to both sides" too, right?
"A baby is a baby. I'm not religious"
...but you are . There's absolutely no difference between you and the worst kind of 'Pro-Lifer': Scott Roeder.
All it takes is for you to snap, and you won't have any problem with the concept of 'Take a life to save a life'. Scott Roeder ring any bells?
If you're not 'religious' as you claim, then consider this simple fact; You're not in control of all the wombs in the world - especially of those impregnated without their consent - so therefore, regardless of if you're a woman or not, you have absolutely no right to tell the individual woman what she does or doesn't with her body.
Hers. As in something that has absolutely fuck all to do with you . And with that rape-condoning attitude of yours, even your 'Opinion' isn't worth shit .
Meanwhile, enjoy being a dried-up & desiccated old harpy. Dying alone .
"f she were raped and impregnanted, abortion would not be an option "
So, basically, you're saying that you wouldn't let your daughter make her own decisions.
"If she were raped and impregnanted, abortion would not be an option."
Which is precisely why we fight at every election in my state to keep fundies from getting laws requiring parental consent for minors to get abortions.
"I could have easily cared for a child when I was 12."
No, you couldn't have. Being the 24/7 mother of a child for the rest of your life is a hell of a lot fucking different than "helping" at a daycare when you're a kid.
Yet another look into the depressingly common mindset that children are there to fulfill your desires and are essentially your property. I mean, whats free will, mental and physical health, or emotional development when you can just indoctrinate your kids to die giving you more kids to brainwash?
"All life is important."
Except for the life of your daughter apparently.
"I just want one grandkid out of my children."
They can burn and die for all you care, so long as you get your grankid, right?
"her life were in immediate danger then it would be a c-section and hoping the baby was far enough along to survive."
Right. You don't care a whiff about your daughter's life, you only want somebody to leave your legacy to. Your a selfish and despicable person and your daughter will probably not attend or even arrange your funeral.
the child you want dead could be the next saint or cure cancer.
It could also be the next Hitler. Also, you're a lying sack of shit.
Here's some news for you, Wolfcat; not everyone is the same as you. When faced with life's myriad of challenges, not everyone will react to it in the same fashion, and a civilised society should take this into account, instead of pandering to the views of those that may have dealt with challenging periods in their life just fine. As a parent you shouldn't treat your child as if they're a carbon copy of you with the same ability to deal with the worst possible scenarios. If you could drop your egoism you would be in a better position to aid your daughter to come to the correct decision for her if she ever faces such a horrid situation, rather than forcing her into a decision based on your mistaken belief that she should have the same capabilities as you.
"I want my decendants to be rich and I have a savings plan that equals 1 million dollars by the time my husband and I die. Yay!"
I'll believe that when I see it. There are enough examples of arrogant arseholes being brought down to Earth with a bang because their plans of greed haven't succeeded. With social mobility on the decrease, it may be even harder for the poorer sections of society with aspirations to better themselves economically, despite the belief that we can all make it if we try.
Your children hate you. All they want is your money. Good. You're a vile, selfish old bat who doesn't deserve to be loved. Also, if your daughter's grown, how can you stop her from having an abortion, hm?
One more thing: You weren't "fully grown" at twelve. You aren't "fully grown" now. Adulthood is a mindset, not a number.
LIAR! girls are fully physically mature by 16-18.
http://www.yrshr.org/informationbase_desc.asp?id=1
On average, girls begin puberty at ages 1011; boys at ages 1112.[1][2] Girls usually complete puberty by ages 1517,[2][3][4] while boys usually complete puberty by ages 1617.[2][3][5] from wikipedia puberty.
Pregnant teenagers face many of the same obstetrics issues as other women. There are, however, additional medical concerns for mothers aged under 15.[2] For mothers aged 1519, risks are associated more with socioeconomic factors than with the biological effects of age.[3] Risks of low birth weight, premature labor, anemia, and pre-eclampsia are connected to the biological age itself, as it was observed in teen births even after controlling for other risk factors (such as utilization of antenatal care etc.).[4][5] Every day in developing countries, 20,000 girls under age 18 give birth.[6] This amounts to 7.3 million births a year.[7] And if all pregnancies are included, the number of adolescent pregnancies is much higher.
Are you saying that you are an adult physically? You do know that a girl is physically mature by 16,17,or 18, and the definition of adult is some who is fully grown and developed. However the definition could be talking about more then physical maturity, so you could be an adult in other area.
My condolences to the daughter that you treat like a possession. Doesn't her opinion carry any weight with you? I suspect you wouldn't even ASK your daughter.
Then you follow that with your "requirements" for you children, to have one grandchild. So what happens in the second pregnancy? Abortion? Here's hoping your children never read your comments, and never find out that they are merely the tools by which you realize YOUR aims, not theirs.
5 . Age Range: Usually 15-18. Average: 16-17
This is the final stage of development, when a girl is physically an adult. Breast and pubic hair growth are complete, and full height is usually attained by this point. Menstrual periods are well established, and ovulation occurs monthly. If the egg is fertilized with a sperm, it will grow into a baby inside the uterus. If the egg is not fertilized, the tissues and the lining inside the uterus are not needed and are shed through the vagina as menses. Two third of the menstrual discharge is blood, the remaining one third is mucous, fragments of uterine lining, and cells from the vaginal lining. The blood of menstruation is also different from the blood circulating through a woman's body in that it does not have the ability to clot, since it must pass through the cervix and flow out of the body without coagulating.
Bastard. If your daughter is impregnated, you save her. If she dies, so does the foetus anyway. Also, Hitler was almost aborted, you kno. The baby could grow up to be the next genocidal dictator.
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