Evolutionists and Athiests imagine Evolution worked by:
1-Species changing by mutations, genetic drifts, ....whatever
2-Resulting species that fit its environment survived
3-Other who did not, distinct or did not survive for many generation
For this process to be true, millions (even billions) of variations would have existed over time
and as "Does not fit" is not always fatal, they should have survived for some time and generations as well (million or thousands of years)
Not only that, as the process is not controlled by any intelligence, a lot of (illogical) variations must existed
http://www.pixelsurgeon.com/interviews/images/interview/margotknight_snake.jpg
Where are the fossil records for such mutated "Unfit" species?
They imagine that the existence of mutation, proves that every thing came through it!
They think that distinction of animals proves evolution, but it is actually disproving it!
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So, what, you are demanding evidence of creatures that exist over a significant period of time but are not around today?
Er...
image
(Source: Smithsonian Institute.)
So.
Much...
You know the drill.
"Distinct?" If you don't even know what the word "extinct" means, a simple, 4th-grade word, then you're not worth my time.
Many distinctive animals have been found in fossil form. Many of them are now distinct. All of them were evolved versions of earlier animals that eventually became distinct. Aargh.
We will find many more fossils of animals, all from different times, and all different in their ways.This illiterate retard's 'argument' is so old-hat and discredited that it's not worth thinking about.
fergus
Because things that suck at living tend not to come in vast numbers.
Besides- a harmful mutation that actually screws up the organism's skeleton enough to show up in the fossil probably wouldn't be around for very long at all.
I can't see that this guy isn't serious, he bothered to type all that up, and it reads like it was an effort to put that kind of thought into it. Therefore, I'd like to send this person a picture of me photoshopped so it looks like I'm creating the universe with bolts of lightning. Or playing saxophone for the Beatles. Or whatever.
Every time I see a post from WWGHAmputees, all I can think of is that he must love lizards so much more than humans. After all, they grow back whole tails!
Personally, I feel closer to god having lots of geckos around. ;-) Surely the god of the bible MUST have a pet lizard god or something because he's so generous with the healing of them...
95% of everything that's ever lived on this planet is extinct,gone, a lot of them a long, long time ago.
so yeah, your stupid
As I understand it, populations evolve, not individuals. Individuals with unfit mutations don't survive and don't reproduce. The odds of finding a fossil of such an unfit individual is therefore miniscule in comparison to finding the fossil of a fit individual which represents its species population.
Fundie? I don't know. Misunderstanding, or at least: Not understanding completely the theory of evolution? Yes. Do I blame him? Only partly, as it's indeed a rather complicated concept. Sure, easy enough once You understand it, but not so when You don't, and even less so when You don't really want to.
Edit: "(....)reasoning and RESEARCH. does he honestly think evolution works by random mutation? i'm not an expert on evolution(...) "
Oh God, RIB, this irony is delicious. You're not an expert, You say. Ever herad of RESEARCH before You speak? :P Do YOU honestly think evolution does NOT work by random mutation?
See, that's what I was talking about. The way evolution is taught in schools, many people fail to actually realize how it (supposedly) works. I don't blame anyone for thinking "hey, it's retarded to believe some animals just suddenly grew wings". Or, to take a less extreme example - mimicry. Lots of people studying with me (not biologists, to be fair) still have the mindset that animals somehow evolved with the GOAL of looking similar to other, dangerous animals, to protect themselves from predators. It's those kinds of misconceptions that lead to false arguments like the one theese comments are originally about.
~Sylv
First, lets pretend you're making a valid argument. Then the answer to the question "Where are the fossil records for such mutated "Unfit" species?" becomes the factual statement: "Almost every fossil meets your criterion. 99 % of all species who ever existed have failed the test of natural selection."
The substance ofyour question seems to be why aren't there critters with really weird genetics about? The answer is "There truly are! Read 'Doctor Tatiana's Sex Guoide to all creation. Critters with exploding genitals that break off, species where the male produces sperm 20 times longer than it is, human beings with vermiform appenidixes and optic nerves in front of their retinas, and all sorts of weird genetics!
However, the greatest fail is the confusion between individuals and species. The 'hopeful monsters' alluded to by the photoshopped image are occasionally born as individuals, but it is their very unfitness that stops them ever becoming species.
P.S. Don't be stupid enough to read that as me saying that that particular animal has been born.
AFadly... you are soooo close! You're, in fact, dead on the spot.
How did you still manage to fail?
"Where are the fossil records for such mutated "Unfit" species?"
They would inherently take up less of the fossil record and the severely unfit would take up an incredibly small amount of it if they even managed to get fossilized at all.
Very clever approach, though. It's original. Still fails.
Yes, you've got the basic idea. That you choose not to believe it is your problem, not ours.
Now let's talk about dinosaurs, critters that accidentally "made the mistake" of getting bigger and bigger. All went well for millions of years, but as you may have noticed, they no longer walk the earth. The environment changed, and that made them misfits.
"Science says whatever [...] typical straw man of evolution [...] pretending it's science and bogus."
This also confuses the discoveries of science with atheism.
Where are the fossil records for such mutated "Unfit" species?
That's a straw man like "the missing link". Most species are extinct. Transitional forms are not "unfit". Everything is transitional, but there's punctuated equilibrium. Meaning that some forms in some environments can evolve more slowly and others in other environments may be pressured to evolve more rapidly or to become extinct, etc.
Transitional fossils are a great source of evidence, but also extant (still living) life. Also remember that fossilization is rare, meaning that we're not clueless when looking for them, a working scientific theory also permits to predict where to find more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent
Then after harmful nonsense such as https://fstdt.com/RBT3 it's difficult to take this troll seriously.
Confused?
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