Affirming this truth, neither Thomas Jefferson nor any of America’s founders gave equal rights to women, including the one to whom they gave diligent studies and heeded—Sir William Blackstone.
Jefferson wrote that women should not be brought into governance, so as to “prevent depravation of morals and ambiguity of issue.” He knew this well from his time in France, where he noted regarding their women’s intrusions into governance: “[Few Americans] can possibly understand the desperate state which things are reduced in this country from the omnipotence of an influence which, fortunately for the happiness of the sex itself, does not endeavor to extend itself in our country beyond the domestic line.” He contrasted American women by lauding them as they “who have the good sense to value domestic happiness above all other. ... Our good ladies, I trust, have been too wise to wrinkle their foreheads with politics.” Compared with the women of France, he said: “It is a comparison of Amazons to Angels.” Today, Jefferson would find that the Amazons have taken over our country.
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The more rights you give to women, the more progressive a country usually becomes.
Besides, only property-owning men could vote at first, right? Odds are you would not have been allowed into politics either, dolt.
They didn't give equal rights to black people either. Nor to indians, polynesians, and most of the poor people of the country.
Also, stop fetishising your founding fathers. Seriously, the rest of the world finds it EXTREMELY creepy. Most of us think you secretly wank about it when no one's looking.
I would like to have sources for all these Jefferson quotes. I swear, Jefferson is the most misquoted human being in American history. Probably half the quotes attributed to him have been found to be either a) completely spurious or b) taken totally out of context.
A good example is Jefferson's attitudes towards Jews. Some quotes portray him as rabidly anti-Semitic, others as fervently pro-Semitic.
Jefferson was a slave owner who lived in a time where pretty much everyone was sexist and racist, and he's been dead for 190 years. Why do you treat the founding fathers like they were inerrant, infallible, perfect beings who had infinite wisdom? Jesus, do some research on Ben Franklin. He was nuts.
"Today, Jefferson would find that the Amazons have taken over our country."
Is that a bad thing? I find buff women very attractive.
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"Also, stop fetishising your founding fathers. Seriously, the rest of the world finds it EXTREMELY creepy. Most of us think you secretly wank about it when no one's looking."
i'd like to second that notion. think of the looks people would give if you proudly declared how your attitudes/opinions "were what my father would have wanted". I don't even know who the founding fathers of my country(nz) were.
Even as late as the early 20th century, articles in mainstream magazines about the suffrage movement treated popular notions of the time about women not having the intellectual capability to understand politics or the emotional stability to be trusted to make rational decisions as legitimate and science-based. Fortunately that propaganda from the male power structure has gone the way of bleeding, which I'm sure you'd find Jefferson believed in, too.
Affirming this truth, neither Thomas Jefferson nor any of America’s founders gave equal rights to women, including the one to whom they gave diligent studies and heededSir William Blackstone.
1. Sir William Blackstone was a British lawyer, loyal to King George III, who did not concern himself with the legal institutions of the rebellious colonists. That, of course, did not stop them from basing their ideas on his Commentaries on the Laws of England .
2. When Sir William Blackstone died, Jefferson was 36; the Father of the Constitution, James Madison, was 29. As the quote puts what America's founders did in the past tense, we should also remember that John Adams died 46 years after Sir William.
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"Today, Jefferson would find that the Amazons have taken over our country."
The point of this remark is what? A guy who lived hundreds of years ago, were he magically reawakened, would find that the world is different now than it was in his time. No shit.
Also, is it okay that I don't give a damn about what Jefferson would do or think? The guy owned slaves and he had that creepy, rapey relationship with Sally Hemings (I still don't get why people paint that as a sweet, romantic story. He was a middle-aged man and she was a teenager. He owned her and her family members. She was a slave, denied the full rights of a human being... but I digress).
What Thomas Jefferson did to his Bible. And why it's preserved in the Smithsonian Institute.
Unless you want to be shown as the hypocrite you are, better start doing exactly the same with yours , Gary Failer.
But to save yourself the time & trouble with X-Acto knife, glue & Sellotape, there are Jefferson Bibles readily available at bookshops; or in e-book versions, as - like all other classics - it's Public Domain.
...ah, that's where your entire 'Jefferson As A Role Model And I Must Follow Him In Lockstep' argument falls apart, eh? Well, as my fellow FSTDTers point out, he did have his flaws ...! [/hyper-paradox]
I'm pretty sure you should shut up now. Oh, so Jefferson was a patronizing, elitist, hypocrite. I'm shocked.
This is why we need to stop glorifying our Founding Fathers so damn much and why we need to stop glorifying our country's whole history.
Jefferson owned slaves, and he raped - yes, raped! - Sally Hemings and had a few love-children from it. Many of our other Founding Fathers owned slaves despite knowing it violated the whole idea of liberty.
http://www.britannica.com/topic/The-Founding-Fathers-and-Slavery-1269536
Most of our ancestors forced the Native Americans off their land and almost killed them all off with war and disease.
We had to have a whole goddamn war just to officially end slavery - and even then, we still came up with ways to give nonwhite people the crappy end of the stick with all the Jim Crow laws and other such nefarious schemes like gerrymandering - some of which still continue TO THIS DAY!
We still have nonwhite people's rights being violated - just ask all those blacks, Hispanics, and other non-whites who've been victimized by the ridiculous War on Drugs.
Yeah, and this is all without even mentioning the bullshit wars we've gotten into, like Vietnam and Iraq.
And you, Gary Naler, want us to go back to those primitive times?!
The founders were way ahead of their time in many ways, but they were still human & not infallible. To treat them otherwise is just plain stupid.
As far as Amazons go, who didn't think Julie Newmar was fine, back in her prime?
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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