(about Yoga in School) "Typical - scrap school prayers and anything else to do with Christian ethics. Instead, have the children indulge pagan mysticism. Why is it that we scrap the aforementioned traditions that has helped our nation advance tremendously and turn to an impoverished practice from a backward part of the world?"
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Because exercise that focuses on balance and stretching, and teaches you how to calm your mind is just SOOOOO EEEEVIL!
Took Yoga in high school, and I can tell you first-hand -- Coach might have been a bit on the wacky side (in the always-brightens-up-your-day kind of way), but what he taught was the PHYSICAL part of Yoga. Not a word was said about spirituality or traditions, except to explain the name of a pose, or somesuch.
Or are you worried about your daughter being flexible enough to be -very- creative with her boyfriend...?
Because forced prayers of any kind in school are unconstitutional in the U.S. From what I understand, anyone who practices yoga these days just does it as a stretching exercise and don't mess with any of the mysticism.
And since when has Christianity helped any nation advance tremendously? These days, I see Christians wanting to hold technology back (reproductive health, stem-cell research, etc) because of ancient belief in some supertitious writings.
Goddammit Daily Fail. Earlier today, I was at the shop and saw an honest-to-God article about a Christian being "persecuted". He was asked politely to remove a palm cross from his windscreen at work, and that company says that it required all employees to do the same or similar no matter their religion. The Daily Fail jumped on it and started shrieking persecution.
This was the headline, by the way.
If we start calling it calisthenics, while changing absolutely nothing else, they'd forget about it entirely.
Sometimes it's like they're proud of the fact they know nothing at all of what they criticize.
Breathing, stretching, excercise and relaxation techniques. Sure, they're based loosely off the routine of 'dirty foreign mystics' but this new fad favorite of yuppies (what was that about impoverished?) trying to blow off a little steam from their busy days has about as much to do with religious ceremony as having a glass of wine with your meal.
Further, you are comparing making a specific religous practice mandatory for all students to offering an elective class for the interested.
Ooh... fundie (reference to Christianity) conspiracy (all of this "school prayers" nonsense) and racist ("and turn to an impoverished practice from a backward part of the world?")
I think we have a... TRIFECTA!
*Streamers and noisemakers sound in the background.*
I'd point out how the sort of yoga taught in schools leaves out all the mysticism and only includes the stretching parts, but this is the Daily Fail, so there isn't much point in trying to tell them anything.
In defense of my own heritage I say FUCK YOU!!
yes India is a developing country but they have some great ideas, still got a ways to come but still. As for "christian ethics" I know Hindus who obey Jesus Christ more closely than some Xtian Fundies, particularly from this website
Oh and one more thing wtf does Yoga have to do with religion? I mean the westernized version certainly sucked out most of the religious undertones and concepts of Yoga
Meh, the fascist Mail / its fascist readers blame 'forrins' for everything. That or the gays. Not so sure this technically counts as religious fundamentalism - possibly more as extreme little englander and intense dislike of 'forrin' things coming in - as opposed to the mail's right wing concept of christianity - christian = chuch of england = england = no forrins. Its not so much the religion aspect, as the possibility of another culture existing that gets their goat.
Meh, the fascist Mail / its fascist readers blame 'forrins' for everything. That or the gays. Not so sure this technically counts as religious fundamentalism - possibly more as extreme little englander and intense dislike of 'forrin' things coming in - as opposed to the mail's right wing concept of christianity - christian = chuch of england = england = no forrins. Its not so much the religion aspect, as the possibility of another culture existing that gets their goat.
And doing Tai Chi means I believe in yin and yang.
And doing Zumba makes me Brazilian.
And doing Greco-Roman wrestling means I believe in the god Jupiter.
The Dail Fail bleats about 'Christian persecution' again.
Yeah, Christians are so persecuted in the UK that the Bishops have 26 seats reserved for them in the House of Lords on no more basis than they claim to talk to an invisible friend.
Yoga is an exercise regime, you dumbass. Last I heard there is some kind of "obesity epidemic" or somesuch, so perhaps you could learn a thing or two from the "backward part of the world".
Also, Grigori Yefimovich WINS!
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I hear it's popular in Jamaica and the surrounding environs. It's a growing movement. Known as 'Pilates of the Caribbean'.
...I'll get my coat.
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Dai bach, did you know that in the church hall (of the Methodist church just round the corner from where I live here in the UK), once a week, they hold Yoga and related Meditation sessions for the public. The vicar fully approves of such activities there.
Suck it, Dai.
Mysticism? We need more mysticism: it's surely the first form of philosophy, after all; and unlike your so-called "Christian ethics", it encourages thought and discussion, as opposed to furiously screaming at the latest caricature served up by some talk radio host.
@Doubting Thomas:
I have read an argument (though I do not remember where) that monotheism advanced science by being more philosophically compatible: Essentially, the idea that there is only one deity is compatible with self-consistent natural laws whereas polytheism would imply capricious natural laws that would change in a manner reflecting the balance of power in the pantheon (theopolitics?).
On the other hand, I personally consider polytheism more compatible with natural law, because it explicitly limits the powers of any deity; a singly omnipotent deity can simply alter the natural laws at its whims whereas multiple deities cannot. This is even more the case for moral laws: It used to be common for monotheists to argue, in what is arguably a totalitarian theology, that their deity's laws were inherently moral and that, because this was (usually) His universe, the rich and poor were that way because they were, respectively, moral and immoral (others also thought this, for instance, Ayn Rand, who considered money in theological terms); polytheists, however, could persuasively argue that good and evil were independent of the rules of any deity.
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