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Daganev #fundie forums.lusternia.com

[After a brief discussion about Occam's Razor and its role in defining the possibility of external agency in the origin of the Universe...]

[Your theory includes two major elements: The Universe and some sort of supernatural First Cause. How is that less elements than the theory that includes just the Universe?]

Which is more plausible an event? Jesus was born with just Mary, or Jesus was born through Mary and Joseph.

With your logic, occam's razor follows that Jesus must have be born just based on Mary, because adding Joseph is adding elements. And there is no evidence to support the claim in either direction.

Total nonsense.

Daganev #fundie forums.lusternia.com

[Again - You still don't overcome [Occam's] Razor. "An entity created the Universe" postulates one more entity than "The Universe just exists." In the absence of positive evidence for said entity, it can be declared an unneeded phantasm and shaved off.]

Saying that "the universe just exists" postulates one more behaviour for the universe that has no positive evidence for it. It can be declared an unneeded behaviour and shaved off.