Ray Comfort #fundie

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Words of Comfort: Today's Tips for Atheists

How to say “I don’t know,” and still sound intelligent:

1. What is the purpose of man’s existence?
“We don’t know at the moment, but science will find out one day.”

2. What was in the beginning?
“We don’t know at the moment, but science will find out one day.”

3. What happens after death?
“We don’t know at the moment, but science will find out one day.”

4. Why is there male and female in 1.4 million different kinds of animals, fish, birds, and insects?
“We don’t know at the moment, but science will find out one day.”

5. Why does every animal (except for a few snails) bring forth after its own kind?
“We don’t know at the moment, but science will find out one day.”

Note how Scriptures speaks to the blind ignorance of the ungodly, and how they have given themselves to a dulled conscience and sexual uncleanness:

“Their moral understanding is darkened and their reasoning is beclouded. [They are] alienated (estranged, self-banished) from the life of God [with no share in it; this is] because of the ignorance (the want of knowledge and perception, the willful blindness) that is deep-seated in them, due to their hardness of heart [to the insensitiveness of their moral nature]. In their spiritual apathy they have become callous and past feeling and reckless and have abandoned themselves [a prey] to unbridled sensuality, eager and greedy to indulge in every form of impurity [that their depraved desires may suggest and demand]” (Ephesians 4:18-19, Amplified Bible).

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old comment by Woody

1. We are sentient creatures with a brain capable of developing our own purpose in life without reference to an invisible sky daddy that cannot be proven to exist.

2. Neither do you, but we haven't just made stuff up to fill the gap in our knowledge.

3. Assuming anything happens after death at all, then the same applies but probably nothing happens. Neither do you, but we haven't just made stuff up to fill the gap in our knowledge .

4. Neither do you, but we haven't just made stuff up to fill the gap in our knowledge but, there are area's of scientific investigation that are proposing sound reasons for developing sexual reproduction with male and female.

5. We do know, it's been fully explained by evolution, DNA, biology and various areas of scientific analysis and research.

Now that your rehashed old strawman aruguments have failed again, what next Ray?

old comment by MockAE

1. I'm torn between saying 'reproduction' and calling this out as a category error

2. I'm not sure any of us are properly equipped to understand the answer. It's not entirely clear whether there was a 'the' beginning as such. The beginning of what, exactly?

3. The world carries on more-or-less as it did before

4. It's a mystery, for sure. Given the tendency of plants (which I note you don't mention for some reason) to avoid selfing quite stringently I'm inclined to say there must be quite a few advantages for maintaining the proper exploration / exploitation balance required for such a complex optimization problem as that faced by organisms, however it's not ever really been properly understood in general. That said the population sizes of at least some of those organisms you mention may not be sufficient for selection to properly act in such a way as to make such a wholesale change - the ratchet effect is important here. So it's difficult to rule out contingency in every case I suspect.

5. Too. Many. Answers. I think I'll have to just go with arp here and say 'genetics'. You want more? Read a book. No, not *that* one. A book on genetics.

old comment by EG

"How to say “I don’t know,” and still sound intelligent"

Nothing makes you look more like a blabbering idiot than refusing to admit that you don't know the answer to something and trying to "sound intelligent" instead. You tend to fool no-one and look like a complete ass.
Most people learn this eventually.

Anyway:

1. What is the purpose of man’s existence?

What makes you think there is one?

2. What was in the beginning?

The beginning of the universe? There were loads of elementary particles.
Before that? Ain't no such thing.

3. What happens after death?

Well, that will entirely depend on the manner and location of your passing and funerary customs. In general though, your symbiotic bacteria will make the most of it, releasing gas that will inflate your corpse until the skin bursts. Your flesh will rot and putrify and ultimately your bones will dissolve and disperse. The skull probably lasts longer than anything else.
Or, as the Cat once said, "it's party time for all the little worms".

4. Why is there male and female in 1.4 million different kinds of animals, fish, birds, and insects?

That's an interesting question. I'll go one better for you: it's clear that two different genders have evolved independently multiple times. Why? What is it about two genders that makes it so much better than one or three (or more)?

Why two genders is often better than one is not too hard to work out, it offers better mixing of DNA, which optimises long-term survival potential of a species. For three genders it's a bit more tricky, but I suspect it has at least something to do with the fact that chromosomes come in pairs, not triplets. Even ignoring that, I could imagine that having three genders makes it too hard for beneficial mutations to be expressed and "stick" in the population, which does suggest that two is the optimal number of genders.

But I'm not the expert on this.

5. Why does every animal (except for a few snails) bring forth after its own kind?

Wait, what? There are snails that don't give birth to other snails? Surely any such creature would be head-line news?

old comment by Dr. Razark

"1. What is the purpose of man’s existence?"
Why do you think there needs to be some purpose? Can't you decide what you want your life to be?

"2. What was in the beginning?"
We don't know. But if we ever find out, it will be based on evidence, not a storybook.

"3. What happens after death?"
Nothing.

"4. Why is there male and female in 1.4 million different kinds of animals, fish, birds, and insects?"
Because sexual reproduction provides advantages for the survival of species. (Fish, birds, and insects (with six legs) are also animals.)

"5. Why does every animal (except for a few snails) bring forth after its own kind?"
A. Because that's the way reproduction works.
B. WTF is this shit about snails?
C. WTF is a "kind"?

"Note how Scriptures speaks..."
We don't believe in your book. Why should we listen to it, rather than James T. Kirk?

old comment by Anon-e-moose

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Kruszelnicki

As populariser of science Karl Kruszelnicki (or 'Dr. Karl', whom I refer to as 'The Aussie Brainiac'; his weekly late night science Q&A phone-in on Rhod Sharp's programme on BBC Radio 5, that I always listen to) will tell you, Ray Cumfart:

'Saying "I don't know" is the beginning of wisdom.'

It's the reason why you've been forced to admit that the Banana - your previously beloved 'proof' of Creationism - was the result of human domestication, that your Crockoduck was 'only a joke', and that Gravity does exist in space.

Even Dr. Karl gets things wrong - but extremely rarely - yet he's man enough to admit his mistakes, and accepts any & all correction, facts-wise. But like I say, extrememy rarely. You've struck out three times in a row, Ray Cumfart, so would it destroy your precious literalist 'beliefs' that much for you to admit that - compared to Dr. Karl - you know less than nothing?

The Church of England clearly don't have a problem with the facts & wisdom of Evolution...:

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...so what's yours?

old comment by Goomy pls

1. We create our own purpose. There is no intrinsic purpose but that which we make for ourselves.

2. Probably a singularity or something of some sort. You are correct in saying we don't know.

3. We have already found out many things that happen during death, such as the cessation of life processes that defines it.

4. Sexual reproduction evolved because of several factors, including the creation of new genotypes.

5. Because you can define the word "kind" any way you want that suits yourself.

You know, maybe the reason that we claim we don't know all the answers is that we don't, and maybe that is why we keep looking. That's what's good about science: you have a motivation to look for the answers rather than taking a certain set of answers blindly.

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"5. Why does every animal (except for a few snails) bring forth after its own kind?

Speaking of "kind", Ray, in one of your videos you said we don't need to define "kind", that "it's obvious".

Ok, would you agree that a Great Dane and a Chihuahua are both the "dog kind"? If so, and we put them into a room, and without any human help they cannot "bring forth after their own kind", would you then say they're different "kinds"? Are you suggesting evolution?

One more, Ray. Since you said "it's obvious" what kind things are, help me with this one since you're so smart. What kind is this?

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Would that be a zebra "kind"? Or maybe a giraffe "kind"? Or maybe some other "kind"?

old comment by Apatheist

#1 Who cares? Philosophy=/=science.

#2 You actually have that one right. However, Goddidit isn't an acceptable answer.

#3 We know what happens in physical reality. Science doesn't study the soul.

#4 Because making and maintaining two working sets of reproductive organs is unnecessary for most animals. It's got to do with the ease of finding mates. Trees, being rooted to the ground and largely dependent on external pollinators, almost universally have both sets of organs. Cats, having evolved very effective ways of finding each other, do not need to have both.

#5 Because, in the short term, that's how babies work. How do you explain anti-biotic resistant bacteria if not through evolution?

old comment by Alencon

1. What is the purpose of man’s existence?
There is no purpose to man's existence beyond what we decide for ourselves.

2. What was in the beginning?
A super dense, super hot singularity.

3. What happens after death?
Most likely absolutely nothing.

4. Why is there male and female in 1.4 million different kinds of animals, fish, birds, and insects?
Most likely because the separation into distinct sexes has clear benefits. For example the ability of the sexes to develop specialized roles caring for the young such as the male hunts while the female protects the nest.

5. Why does every animal (except for a few snails) bring forth after its own kind?
Define its "own kind." No offspring is genetically identical to its parents and over long periods of time these tiny differences can add up to significant changes.

Now I have one for you.

What is Ray Comfort such an ignorant moron?
We don't know and even science probably won't ever be able to figure it out.

old comment by Swede

To say "I don't know" always sounds more intelligent than spouting some cretinist garbage.

1. Why does man need purpose? What is the purpose of the mites living in our facial pores?
2. Who knows? Before the Big Bang, there was a singularity that expanded with the Big Bang. But that might just be the remains from an earlier universe, which in turn expanded from an even earlier singularity.
3. What happened before birth?
4. Because sexual procreation carries with it a mixture of genes, which gives a greater chance of survival, than mere genetic copies of oneself.
5. What does "bring forth after its own kind" mean? What is a "kind"? Is "dog" one kind, "fox" one kind and "wolf" one kind? If so, why? According to the ToE, dogs and wolves are still the same species. Just give it another hundred thousand years, though...

The Scripture does indeed speak to the blind ignorance and to those with a dull conscience. To the rest of us, it's utter nonsense.

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1. If science had an explanation, you'd just ignore that, too, lying and making up bullshit strawman arguments about it.

2. If science had an explanation, you'd just ignore that, too, lying and making up bullshit strawman arguments about it.

3. If science had an explanation, you'd just ignore that, too, lying and making up bullshit strawman arguments about it.

4. If science had an explanation, you'd just ignore that, too, lying and making up bullshit strawman arguments about it.

5. If science had an explanation, you'd just ignore that, too, lying and making up bullshit strawman arguments about it.

Just like you do for everything else. Face it: You demand evidence from science, science presents you with evidence, you promptly ignore evidence, citing any number of bullshit reasons why you do not need to listen to it. Lather, rinse repeat.

In fact, I took the liberty of writing your next presentation for you.

Two key points:

1. Find some modern science item that people have heard in the news, or if you can't, any PRATT will do. Denigrate, misrepresent and lie about it, saying how stupid anyone would be to believe it. Tell them how you know what they're thinking, they're all sinners, and unless they repent and give you and your boyfriend Kirk all kinds of money, they'll surely burn in hell.
2. Goto step 1.

old comment by Passerby

1.) Philosophy attatched to no particular system of spiritual belief says we make it for ourselves. Some are obsessed with passing on their genes, others with legacy, still others with merely touching every life they come into contact with. But there are also those who don't see any particular point or ultimate goal and are actually relieved at that rather than crushed for it means that no matter what they do with their lives it was the right decision and they've failed exactly no-one.

2.) We admit we don't know, but I'll tell you this: there sure as hell wasn't a scribe jotting this shit down for your convenience. That came a whole lot later.

3.) Decay. I'd like to know who exactly came back when eternity was up to tell you firsthand what either heaven or hell was like.

4.) According the Bible, God made everything both male and female. Would you instead care to explain to me why a number of things are not if the Bible is infallible?

5.) Chuckles, it's your side claiming that evolution doesn't exist and different "kinds" aren't being born of ancestors of drastically different physical form.

old comment by Pmorg

1) No purpose. Biological imperatives and such, but no purpose. Make your own and don't worry about someone above us burning off your antennae with his magnifying glass.
2) Well, it's theorised a singularity. Possibly created through the collision of two dimensions. Or maybe a 3D star exploding in 4D space. All sorts of theories and hypotheses. We don't KNOW, but we have suspicions.
3) We don't know. We may find out, we may not. If we do, I can guarantee it'll not be because of some religion, but science.
4) Because it allows a mixing of genes which helps natural selection, and a third gender would be impractical.
5) Bring forth after its own kind? No idea what you mean there.

And I'd prefer not to be involved with God. From what I've read and heard of him, he's a control freak and is more than happy to kill people.

old comment by basiorana

1. Whatever you want your purpose to be. The human race of course does not have a purpose, and that's okay.
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Your purpose is to worship an all-powerful creator. No, we don't know why an all-powerful being needs worship. God works in mysterious ways.

2. We understand this pretty well from the big bang on. We don't know what happened before the big bang yet, but we have a lot of theories that seem to make mathematical sense. The multiverse theory, where the collapse of a previous universe created this one, always appealed to me, but that may reflect my human bias.
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God created the world from nothing. No, we don't know where God came from. God works in mysterious ways.

3. We don't really know this. We're pretty sure you cease to exist. So far we have found no evidence of anything else happening.
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You go to heaven if you accept God, you go to hell and suffer forever if you don't. No, we don't know why God cares more about worship than good works, or why he needs to punish, or anything. God works in mysterious ways.

4. Sexual recombination of genes creates greater diversity in offspring and means that offspring are more likely to have advantageous traits than if they rely on mutation alone.
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God made it that way. No, we don't know why. God works in mysterious ways.

5. Because "kind" is determined by the genetics of the parent, and no organism can birth a wholy different species than themselves. Evolution takes many, many generations.
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God made it that way. No, we don't know why. God works in mysterious ways.

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