[re: Barack Obama to be sworn in as President on Abraham Lincoln's bible.]
And no doubt Obama will carry on Lincoln's legacy by finishing what Lincoln started - the destruction of the constitution.
Well, that's not really fair because Lincoln actually did finish it off. The only reason it hasn't been replaced is because liberals like to occasionally claim adherence to it when it suits their cause.
By the way, even the staunch Lincoln defender Peter Marshall Jr. admits that Lincoln was not a Christian until, maybe, his third year in office. He had said some critical things about the Bible during his pre-presidential years, and so I guess Obama will indeed walk in Lincoln's shoes when he hypocritically swears in on a book he doesn't believe.
But of course, by the time the historians of the winning side gets done, Obama will be a Saint just like Lincoln.
And just so you'll know I'm an equal-opportunity cynic, Thomas Red-Letter-Bible Jefferson (a good ole southren) was a hypocrite when he put his on the Bible too. But at least Jefferson didn't destroy the constitution that he swore to uphold.
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The only reason it hasn't been replaced is because liberals like to occasionally claim adherence to it when it suits their cause.
What's that? Another bottle of mirror polish has been used up? I don't have an unlimited expense account for that stuff, you know.
In fairness, Lincoln did suspend habeas corpus as a means of prosecuting the war.
One could argue that Jefferson's approval of the Louisiana Purchase was unconstitutional, too.
The point is, most presidents do do things that at least come close to being unconstitutional, even if it's something relatively minor like signing statements (which all presidents have done, but Bush did in greater number than his 42 predecessors combined).
I'd much prefer it if an incoming president were to swear on a book that actually has some meaning, like, oh, I don't know, a dictionary.
Lincoln did do many, many unconstitutional things during his administration. Stating that is not racist or fundie in any way. Don't see anything particularly fundie here, just a guy who's obnoxious about his politics.
And no doubt Obama will carry on Lincoln's legacy by finishing what Lincoln started - the destruction of the constitution.
Considering Lincoln opposed and ultimately defeated the people who wanted to throw away the Constitution and establish their own separate country, I would say he goes down in history as the Constitution's biggest defender.
Yeah, I know! What was Lincoln thinking, going and freeing all those shiftless niggers? He might as well have just lit the constitution on fire! And now one of them is actually president! It's called the White House for a reason, you know!
Or maybe I'm just a huge unconscious racist.
Since seceding from the United States isn't legal, Lincoln's legacy actually includes a major act of upholding the Constitution.
And hating on Jefferson doesn't make you an equal-opportunity cynic, it just means you're ignorant of history and bigoted.
And just so you'll know I'm an equal-opportunity cynic, Thomas Red-Letter-Bible Jefferson (a good ole southren) was a hypocrite when he put his on the Bible too.
Since your Constitution states that no religious test is to be administered for holding public office, it doesn't matter worth a shit if Jefferson, Lincoln, or Obama were card-carrying atheists.
And no doubt Obama will carry on Lincoln's legacy by finishing what Lincoln started
He has. Lincoln started believing that while the Negros weren't necessarily as good as the whites, they at least deserved the same freedoms. Obama is carrying that legacy on by being the first black man to ever successfully run for U.S. President.
Frankly, as far as I'm concerned, he could be the worst President these United States have ever seen, but I will stand up and applaud him for that one thing.
Of course, I wouldn't vote for him a second time. But, still.
The Constitution is "Just a god damned piece of paper." I quote the great G. W. Bush, doubtless one of your favorites.
Which would you rather have, J.D.? A president who follows Christianity's (ostensible) moral teachings but doesn't believe all the book's weird primitive crap is literally true, or a president who finds nothing odd about talking snakes in magic trees and chatting with invisible flying zombies, but scoffs at the actual teachings of Jesus?
There's your difference between Obama and Bush, right there.
Where in the hell to start on this one. I'll just leave it alone, and pretend that I didn't read it, you know, for sanities sake.
You're complaining that Obama is hypocritical for destroying a constitution that Lincoln allegedly already destroyed, but supports liberals who for the most part don't bother with it for some reason.
And for good measure you assert that you're not biased because "a good ole southren" was also once hypocritical.
I don't even need to ridicule this.
"liberals like to occasionally claim adherence to it when it suits their cause. "
Kind of true, American Liberals do seem to do that. Only problem is the non-liberals do exactly the same thing but in a much, much worse and more obvious way.
@posty: Don't see anything particularly fundie here, just a guy who's obnoxious about his politics.
posty, this is why J.D.'s rant is fundie: even the staunch Lincoln defender Peter Marshall Jr. admits that Lincoln was not a Christian until, maybe, his third year in office. He had said some critical things about the Bible during his pre-presidential years
If you cannot say anything critical about the Bible without being labeled un-christian, I consider that fundie.
#899939: "A country overrun with retards like this, yet it remains the most powerful nation on Earth. How?"
Through the application of a brutalist form of capitalism which consistently ensures that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Somehow the enfranchised poor* are persuaded that any other system, or even the slightest of shifts away from the current system, would be wrong and deeply unfair.
Well, that's just my guess. Yours may differ.
* The people the system keeps poor in other countries don't get any say in the matter at all.
"in that all men are created equal"
To realize that one slavery had to end so Lincoln was bringing America closer to it's Constitution. It also helped that Europe stopped slavery and persued the slave trade earlier and America was looking pretty bad. I see a Bush comparision to your accusation.
How about you freaks give Obama a couple months before you blame him for Americas problems? He will go down in history as the first president to be blamed for everything that's wrong BEFORE he even took office
Coolest bumper sticker I've ever seen:
A Confederate flag with a red X over it and the words,
"You lost. Get over it."
Wish I could send J.D. one.....
I'm so sorry your ancestor's slaves were freed and you didn't get any of your own.
My father's mother's father's father (I think, maybe it was his father) was a slave owner (The family still owns part of the plantation, actually - the rest was seized by the government and is now an airport).
I think that makes him a total dick.
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