"My uncle-in-law has been an atheist his whole life. My aunt, however, is a very devout Christian. Nothing gets him to really be a Christian despite that he goes to church and often plays the guitar there. Whenever religion is talked about, he is skeptical. He holds no values for Christianity. He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.
See, some people are just stubborn. And he isn't a rocket scientist. In fact he is pretty old school, being about 65 years old. Science avails him not.
So what about those people with more drive who claim to be so endowed with science and so willingly subject their selves to that of militant atheists?
There is nothing I am able to do that is going to bring them closer to religion. You all have already made your minds, and so long as your life is fine and giving, you all will remain that way.
As such, you all take that and try to make it into something more. You all are not being persecuted. Anything that has happened in your life that was ill gotten by religion is negligible. You all do not have any right to be going around and stomping on people's beliefs.
But you all do it anyway., you all are th eones that are intellectually dishonest, not us.
And then you all shriek when someone, like me, rips that facade away and shows the truth for what it is- you all are just vain, serving absolutely no purpose whatsoever then sheer aggravation of society. You all are heroes, let me tell you."
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...suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.
Because when your end seems near, that's the perfect time to repent with your "get outta jail free" card, right?! [/sarcasm]
so long as your life is fine and giving, you all will remain that way.
What's wrong with that?!?!
you all are just vain, serving absolutely no purpose whatsoever then sheer aggravation of society.
That's your opinion and you have every right to it. But don't get all huffy when I opine that you're an asshole right back at ya.
"You all do not have any right to be going around and stomping on people's beliefs."
Did you read your own post before you wrote that?
You sound like a very bitter man.
As Voltaire said on his deathbed when pressed to forswear the devil: "This is no time to make new enemies."
I see exploitation of the vulnerable is still in the vogue after 3 centuries: vultures will be vultures.
"He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian."
Oh yes, but of course everyone will immediately find God and convert after a major, life-threatening event. It's almost a given, if you're a narrow minded prick (figuratively) humping God's leg. Guess the whole 'no atheists in foxholes' idea, though full of holes, is still alive and coughing up blood.
The way you're complaining about this reminds me of the way a materialistic little kid would about not getting its own way. "Waaaaahh, my uncle-in-law won't convert to Christianity!" There are people who just want to live their lives with worldviews different to you. Better learn to live with it! Oh, that's right. You can't...
"Anything that has happened in your life that was ill gotten by religion is negligible." That's it, mate, just sweep it under the carpet with your God mop while nobody's looking. This sounds like the religious equivalent of a corporate disclaimer. "We are not responsible for anything our despicable dickhead of a deity did to you. But he loves you."
Also, first comment I've ever made. I am a lurker no more!
You know. I have been an atheist in all but name for more than a decade now, and I have yet to met any of these so-called Militant Atheist.
I'm starting to think that they are a complete fabrication.
I know of some 'strident' atheists, but that's a bit different.
He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.
Your ilk talk so much about deathbed conversions (many of them being made-up accounts) that you now expect them of everyone. Realistically most people tend to hang on the their beliefs (or lack there of)
Maybe, just maybe, your aunt's husband is an atheist because he has found no evidence for God that isn't dependent on logical fallacies in order to make sense?
All any Christian has to do in order to make there be less atheists in the world is provide one single well-reasoned demonstration of God which is logically sound, invoking no fallacies whatsoever. This has consistently failed to occur. The reason that a lot of atheists are bitter (though not all of them are) is because they are surrounded by anti-intellectuals who neither know nor care how logic works.
He is very bitter yet he goes to church regularly (presumably for his wife who is religious) and plays the guitar there I’ll bet the congregation truly appreciates his diatribes of atheism that they are forced to deal with in their own church.
I wonder what Sum1sGruj's definition of bitter is...
@Sum1sGruj
You all do not have any right to be going around and stomping on people's beliefs.
And he says this just after stomping on his uncle for not being Christian. Classy.
Nothing seems to get HER to really be an atheists either. She's just as stubborn as he is.
My grandfather died nine years ago at the age of 93. He simply LOVED computers and technical scientific advances. What does age have to do with science?
What is it with these fundies and their drive to force everyone else to become religious? I know no-one who pushes his or her religion onto others. I don't know how religious my family members or friends are.
I had cancer a few years ago... and it may be on its way back, but not once have I called on a "higher power" to aid me in my fight. I trusted the training of my doctors, nurses, and the guy with the funny mustache that wheeled me around the hospital. In medical battles, there is no higher power than quality medical care.
But wait...you lot oppose that, too.
He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.
So when a Christian suffers a heart attack, should he become an atheist?
"You all do not have any right to be going around and stomping on people's beliefs."
"And then you all shriek when someone, like me, rips that facade away and shows the truth for what it is"
Anybody see the inconsistency in these two statements?
He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.
I know plenty of bitter/mean/nasty Christians who have suffered from <insert medical issue>.
On a related note, I find it rather amusing that when atheists have medical issues, it's because they're being punished. But when Christians have medical issues, it's because they're being tested. Yet, statistically, they're no more or less likely to have specific issues.
He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.
So why is it your business what your uncle's religious beliefs are? You sound pissed off because he wasn't swayed even after having a heart attack, probably because it didn't fit your beliefs that everyone turns to God when their life is in danger.
There is nothing I am able to do that is going to bring them closer to religion.
The sooner that you and your ilk realize this and stop pestering people about your religion, as well as realize that people are happy with their beliefs and don't need to be brought closer to your religion, the better the world will be.
Anything that has happened in your life that was ill gotten by religion is negligible.
Tell that to the victims of pedophile priests.
What a complete incoherent rant.
As for the line, "he suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian."
It's only you delusion halfwits who seem to think everyone faced with the prospect of death will instantly turn to god. Christopher Hitchens would've had an argument for you but he died without praising god or repenting his sins.
Imagine that.
Atheists dont believe in any God(s). Thats it. They are not scientists by default. Cristian / science is a false dichotomy.
You could bring any atheists to Christianity or any other religion by providing a factual proof that a God exists. Not feeling, not belief, but proof, and you dont have any.
This man is 65 years old and you say that science offers him nothing. He just had a heart attack last year and I'm sure that all the advances we've made in medicine thanks to science are the one thing keeping him alive. 200 years ago he'd be lucky to get to this old age and today 65 isn't even considered old yet. Science, not religion, has benefited your uncle and I'm glad he knows that.
'and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian'
'and so long as your life is fine and giving, you all will remain that way'
So the reason you would become a Christian is because you are scared? Thought as much
"He is also a very bitter man and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian.
See, some people are just stubborn."
Or maybe, he never felt a presence all those times he went to church. He probably never felt someone coming to get him when he had that heart attack.
"... and suffered a heart attack last year, in which he still never became a Christian."
Gee, that's really too bad, because everyone knows that True Christians® never die of heart attacks!
"Hey Boss! You got a girl in there?" - Chico Marx
He's a very bitter man, but he plays guitar at a church? Why do I think he's only bitter to the person who wrote this? It usually goes something like this:
Fundie: God loves you! Don't you love God? Jesus died for your sins! He died so that you can have eternal life! Jesus wants you to be happy in heaven with him! Don't you want to be happy with Jesus? Repent and be happy! If you don't repent, God will send you to hell! Do you want to burn for eternity? You'd better get right with God! Jesus loves you! Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus Jesus!
Atheist: I've had enough, please don't bug me with this religious crap any more.
Fundie: See? You're just a bitter and angry person just like all other atheists.
Fundie Beliefs # 17 : The value of Belief
God occasionally rewards belief. For example, suppose a good fundamentalist and an atheist both survive a heart attack. For the believer, it’s obviously a reward: God has stepped in and saved him from death. For the atheist, it’s equally obvious that the heart attack is God's warning to abandon his disbelief or next time he'll find himself dead and cast into the Lake O'Fire®.
Yup, we tend to be "just stubborn" about facts and reality. We're funny that way.
As for stomping on your beliefs, it's been my experience that we tend to defend ourselves against the religious trying to force their particular moral outlook on society. If it weren't for that, you probably wouldn't even know we exist.
@alencon
Excellent observation. To this day, here in the babble belt, people are flabbergasted to learn that I am an atheist. I get looks of astonishment as if I just urinated in a punchbowl at a wedding. They cant possibly believe that somebody doesnt believe in their majic sky ghost. "Atheist" are those mean, evil, vile sick pathetic vermin that they have heard about from their preachers.
Science availed him not? Hello, science kept him alive after a heart attack, you dolt!
Atheism is a personal relationship with reality, something fundies like you can't understand.
Maybe he strikes you as bitter because he can't stand you, Sum1. Really, if acting like a bitch was all it took to get a sanctimonious asshole relative to leave me alone, I'd act that way, too.
and so long as your life is fine and giving, you all will remain that way. Not true, even if my life wasn't that great, I'd still be an atheist. Because I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR GOD!
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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