(on an evangelical charity not being allowed to run a toy drive on school grounds)
It is a good charity they shouldn't have to find another one. Really, America needs to scrap the separation of church and state with a constitutional amendment.
*That! Is! A! Bad! Idea!*
Good idea, my friend. I will not be happy until a crucifix sits atop the capitol and jackboots march across the white house lawn.
If the first amendment stops charities out of some misplaced morals it should be purged.
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Good idea, my friend. I will not be happy until a crucifix sits atop the capitol and jackboots march across the white house lawn.
I'm not sure about the jackboots, but the crucifix won't play well with evangelicals.
Jackboots for Jesus!
Seriously, though, when Muslims start pushing their religion into government and institute sharia law like these idiots are so fearful of, then they'll wish there were a separation of church and state. They're always fine with government-sponsored religion (and religion-sponsored government) as long as it's their religion.
Again I must ask:
What the hell are you doing with the many churchs and mega funland churchs that you must constantly insist on doing this stuff everywhere?
Y'know what, just go all in if your think church agendas have no limits. Give em your house, might as well go full cult if you're going to insist on turning the Whitehouse into YET ANOTHER USELESS CHURCH.
Really, America needs to scrap the separation of church and state with a constitutional amendment.
What for? So that all of the various denominations of Christianity can fight and kill each other for power over all of the other ones? There is a religious power vacuum in the US which is currently plugged up by the separation of church and state. No church has power over the others and none CAN have power over the others so they are able to coexist with only verbal barbs beings exchanged among them. You suddenly allow one to take power and they'll fight and KILL to be the ones making the rules. Protestants aren't going to want Catholics in charge, Evangelicals aren't going to stand for Catholics being in charge, Southern Baptists are going to be pissed if Episcopalians get in charge, etc. I don't know about you but I'd rather not have a giant civil war. And that's not even getting into the problems of theocracy as a system.
Charity? Toys? Okay, that actually doesn't sound too bad. As long as they don't flaunt their religion around too much, it's okay in my book. I was kind of with him on that first bit but then he started ranting and raving about christian Dominionism. That's when I decided it was time to back away slowly. Want to know of a place that actually is a theocracy? Saudi Arabia and it sure is nice over there! /sarcasm.
Good idea, my friend. I will not be happy until a crucifix sits atop the capitol and jackboots march across the white house lawn.
If you are not a poe, which I highly suspect, how would you feel if some other denomination beat you to marching across the White House lawn in jackboots?
"America needs to scrap the separation of church and state with a constitutional amendment."
Alright. Let's do this, then. Time to set up a state religion for the United States. When do we start voting on commandments? How many followers does a deity need to be nominated?
While I'm all for seperation of church and state, stopping a religious organisation from holding charity drives on public property is a wee bit over the top. After all, it's separation - not segregation.
"I believe in theocracy"
@Mister Spak: Not really. While their numbers are small, there's a fraction of American right-wingers who actually are dominionist Neofeudalists. that means theocrats who want to reintroduce a monarchy and do away with human and civil rights - even going so far as to reintroduce a feudal mode of production. What makes these people a lot dangerous is how open they are about being against democracy and for autocracy, which makes them sound like crazy time-travellers from the 18th century. There's a good chance, especially on a site like Nationstates, that there are one or two of those folks hanging around.
I am also not a Nazi, but I believe in theocracy.
So do the Saudis. Why not move there? Oh, wait, you mean a theocracy where your church is in charge.
"I am also not a Nazi, but I believe in theocracy."
Maybe not specifically a Nazi, but you're patently a fascist a$$hat and that's only one door down the block from the Nazis.
(Qazamir McSmarty Britches)
(OP) "Good idea, my friend. I will not be happy until a crucifix sits atop the capitol and jackboots march across the white house lawn."
"If you are not a poe, which I highly suspect, how would you feel if some other denomination beat you to marching across the White House lawn in jackboots?"
Hmm. *scratches chin thoughtfully* Being a lifelong non-religious person, I need a memory refreshment here. I've always known that rosary beads were specifically a Catholic thing, but is that the case for crucifixes as well?
Problem with religious charities is that they are rarely, if ever, actual charities, and are mainly geared towards being recruitment drives.
(Thinking Allowed)
Thank goodness for that. *glances down at the Glock that's holstered on his thigh*
All the 1st Amendment says is "Congress shall make no law concerning an establishment of religion, or preventing the free expression thereof". (or something like that, can't be bothered to look it up). To me that means that the United States is not to have an established church.
This one is a tough call. It probably isn't a violation of the First Amendment to allow a religious charity to use the school property, provided the same privilege is afforded any other group on the same terms. That's basically what happened in Albemarle County, VA when an evangelical group won the right to send a bible camp announcement home in students' backpacks. But parents hit the roof when a Unitarian Universalist group insisted on sending home backpack flyers of a multicultural winter solstice festival that included pagan traditions. So the school ended up eliminating all backpack flyers - even their own. Everybody lost. Letting an evangelical group use the school property for their toy drive would open the door for everyone else - a mess they probably knew better than to get into.
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