Scott Lively #fundie

Scott Lively #fundie defendthefamily.com

My friends, understand the gravity of what I am saying. If the First Amendment falls to the “gays” like the Magna Charta did, true human rights will be finished in America (and by extension the rest of the western world). There is no fall-back position. The First Amendment is the last bastion of freedom for Christians. If it fails, serious persecution of all who dare to speak the truth of the Bible will follow close behind. Pray fervently that it will stand!

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old comment by hera

(and by extension the rest of the western world)

On behalf of part of the rest of the western world, thank you for your concern. I understand that it would be impossible for you to believe that we might have or own Constition and have already several documents that give us basic human rights. For some extremely odd reason the U.S. constition and its Amendments are not part of that. Nor are we dependent on those in any way, this might be because we are perfectly capable of thinking of on our own, instead of just looking to the USA for guidance.
I can also reassure you that although we do allow same-sex couples to marry, religious freedom is still very much alive.

old comment by Hasan Prishtina

History fail on so many levels. And the reason Mr Lively thinks that Magna Charta [sic] "fell"?

The first principle of that venerable human rights document declares that "The English Church shall be free." This principle, established in the bedrock of British jurisprudence in 1215, stood unshakable for nearly 800 years until the rise of the "gay" movement which has in just the past decade achieved the power to redefine religious liberty as "homophobia" and to crush it under the heels of its pink jackboots.

Magna Carta was signed in 1215. Its principal signatory, King John, had just ended a long conflict with Pope Innocent III over the Church which ended in John coming off second best. Such disputes between popes and kings were fairly common in Western Europe during the Middle Ages as kings tried to gain power over church appointments, church lands etc. The "English Church" in Magna Carta unequivocally refers to the Catholic Church with fealty to the Pope; it was witnessed by no less than the Cardinal Archbishop of Canterbury, 11 bishops and 19 abbots. Scott Lively is right that this clause no long applies, but it ended with the Act of Supremacy in 1534 giving Henry VIII power over the church in England.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"If the First Amendment falls to the “gays” like the Magna Charta did, true human rights will be finished in America"

History FAIL. For a start, it's Magna Carta. And that =/= European Convention on Human Rights. Magna Carta certainly isn't comparable to the US Constitution, pal.

Ah, such is the unjustifiable Americentricism of the inferior US fundie proven. If we in the UK had to be taught US history as part of our school curriculum, would it kill you lot to be taught about world history, as in beyond your own borders?

Americentricism. It should be illegal.

"The First Amendment is the last bastion of freedom for Christians. If it fails, serious persecution of all who dare to speak the truth of the Bible will follow close behind. Pray fervently that it will stand!"

Okay. Want to make a court case out of it? Fine...:

[INT: Courtroom in the US]

Scott (Un)Lively: 'It is my intention that Our right to persecute homosexuals is under threat. It clearly states in our Constitution that this nation is Christia...'

Prosecutor (and expert in Constitutional law) [Strikes a dramatic Phoenix Wright-esque finger-pointing pose]: 'OBJECTION! If Mr (Un)Lively will actually take time to read his precious Constitution, he will notice that the words 'God', 'Jesus', 'Creator' and even 'Marriage' are conspicuous by their absence, are they not?'

Judge: 'Objection sustained. The defence will refrain from making such spurious and uncited claims.'

S: 'Ermmmmm... I request a recess while I consult my notes?'

Judge: Very well. Both of you will join me in my chambers. Court is in recess. (*bangs gavel*)

Court Bailiff 'All rise.' (*Lifts cold shovel to deter any erections X3 *)

(30 mins later)

Judge: Now continue, Mr. (Un)Lively

(*Prosecutor sits back; smug grin on face that would require an industrial laser to remove*)

Scott (Un)Lively: 'I can't.'

J: 'And why is that...?'

S: 'Because the US Constitution doesn't make any mention whatsoever about America being a [i]Christian[/i] nation, Your Honour.

P: 'At this point, with the court's permission, I would like to cite the precedent: FSTDT vs. His4Life.'

J: 'So noted. Would you like to add anything else?'

P: 'Other than...' (*points to Scott*) '...the prosecution rests.'

J: 'I don't think we even need the jury's decision here (*Makes paper plane out of the defence's case document, throws such, which flies out of open window. Court is adjourned. (*bangs gavel*)

>:D

old comment by New Face of Rev

For one thing Scott, it's the Magna CARTA, not Charta. I'm not putting that down to a spelling mistake, i'm pretty sure you honestly think that's how it's spelled and pronounced because you don't know anything about it.

Secondly, it's absolutely nothing at all like the constitution of the United States. It sets limits on the authority of the King in regards to his Barons, that's it. Only an idiot would compare the two. It may have been the first document of it's kind, and would go on to inspire the constitution, but it's like comparing a Ford Model-T to a Bugatti Veyron, it has evolved to the point where similarities are non-existant.

And thirdly, nearly the entire damn thing has been repealed over the last 800 years. It was already basically non-existant when Britain made homosexuality illegal, so I have no fucking idea where you got the idea that gays are responsible for it's demise.

old comment by Lady Evil

Do you even know what the First Amendment is? Let me break it down into easily digestible pieces for you.

1: Freedom of religion. (Your favorite!) Specifically, that there will be no state mandated religion. Church and State are to be perfectly separate.

2: Freedom of speech. That means you can say what you want and pray how you want. So can everyone else, provided it is not harmful.

3: Freedom of the press. (So often forgotten.) Same as above, only applying to writing instead of speaking. (Had their bases covered there!)

4: And, most importantly, it is guaranteed to EVERYBODY! Check out the Preamble. "We the people of the United States...." It does not say "We the Christians" or "We the straight people". Considering who was in power at the time, it could've said "We the white, land owning men", but the writers of the Constitution were visionaries.

old comment by Swede

"by extension the rest of the western world"
Honey, you are not leading on this, you're way at the back with the slow kids.

The First Amendment means freedoms for all, not just for Christians, stupid.
This is the fallback position; if you want to enjoy civil rights, you have to fight for civil rights for others as well.

Sweden was a Christian nation when I grew up; we had a state church and everything. Now we're not, but still have freedom of/from religion. You're free to speak the supposed "truth" of the Bible if you want in Sweden, but you will probably be pitied or ridiculed. That is not persecution, though. Being thrown in jail, sacked from your job, beaten up on a regular basis, “corrective”-raped or killed; those are examples of persecution.

Scott Lively #fundie defendthefamily.com

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