[On a thread discussing whether one can be saved if one "believes" in evolution. So close....so close...]
If even just one word of Genesis 1 through 2 is wrong or really doesn't mean what it says, then how can a person believe the rest of the Bible? If the foundation isn't there, the whole thing falls apart rather quickly.
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Damn shame he doesn't realize that Genesis 1 and 2 are contradictory in of themselves, in addition to not being supported at all by any external evidence. Of course, he doesn't, and he will never admit it.
[If the foundation isn't there, the whole thing falls apart rather quickly.]
Yes. It does, doesn't it?
If even just one word of Genesis 1 through 2 is wrong or really doesn't mean what it says, then how can a person believe the rest of the Bible?
Easy. Just make up a far-fetched explanation for it out of thin air. You know, like "Judas hanged himself and then the rope broke and he fell on the ground and his bowels gushed out". That's what lunatic-fringe fundamentalists do with the all the hundreds of other errors, conflicts and discrepancies in the Bible.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Lets see what they say to my question...
http://www.rr-bb.com/showpost.php?p=677099&postcount=240
"If even just one word of Genesis 1 through 2 is wrong or really doesn't mean what it says..."
You do understand that your bible has been translated? Several times?
It wasn't written in English. And we no longer have the originals (although the Dead Sea Scrolls have pieces). Anyone claiming the bible is literally true, down to the word, clearly has no idea of the ambiguities that can be introduced by translating from one language into another.
That is exactly what we have been trying to say for all these years. Come, become our secret agent, behind their lines! MWAHAHAHAAHAAA! (JK, of course.)
Accepting evolution does not dismiss the Bible. It dismisses a literal interpretation of the Bible, which, ironically enough, has no Biblical basis.
If the foundation isn't there, the whole thing falls apart rather quickly.
Very good!
I can't call this [isolated statement] fundie by any stretch.
WMDKitty said:
Why the hell is this even here? This sounds perfectly rational to me, and not fundie at all!
It's irrational because Frank won't read the Bible to find out for himself.
"If even just one word of Genesis 1 through 2 is wrong or really doesn't mean what it says, then how can a person believe the rest of the Bible? If the foundation isn't there, the whole thing falls apart rather quickly."
Now you've got it! Continue on with that line of reasoning...
He does realize that Genesis (and Revelation, too), were one of the last parts to be added to the bible and were almost left out because even the bible's assemblers realized that is sounded like the ranting of a lunatic, right?
Apart from the whole, ya know, self contradictory physics (light came before the sun?) and serious moral questionability. (God putting the one tree he didn't want us to eat right in the freaking middle and then getting mad when we did, even tho he knew we would before he even created it, and since it bestowed knowledge, we would have no way of knowing what disobedience was until AFTER we ate it).
So yes. It does fall apart.
Yeah... Yeah... YEAH... YEAH!!...
Oh, fucking a', man. Veered off at the last moment.
He's totally right, of course. He just denies the SCIENCE!!. It's a real shame. SCIENCE!! must reach him eventually.
This is the first time that a RRetard has shown a dim glow of hope for salvation from the chronic Stupid.
Not even the Bible says you have to believe the Bible. The fundies' classic proof text (2 Tim 3.16) says that "all scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness." So even given a fundie perspective you could use Genesis 1 & 2 for those purposes while admitting that as a literal record of origins it cannot and should not be believed. Cos it's wrong and we know that. God, if she exists, might still have inspired it, but as a profound and deeply suggestive myth.
Isn't it interesting that fundies bang on about how the Bible is the Word of God and then ignore what it actually says? On this and a host of other issues.
If the foundation isn't there, the whole thing falls apart rather quickly.
Unfortunately for Christianity, this sentence is true. More true than christians dare to admit.
A common answer to the apparent contradictions and weirdnesses of the bible is: It's all an allegory. But exactly this is the death blow to christianity.
When the story of creation is only an allegory,
then the story of Fall of Man is only an allegory,
then "sin" is only an allegory,
then the need for salvation is only an allegory,
then the story of Christs death at the cross for our sins is only an allegory,
then whole Christianity is only an allegory.
And this means that Christianity hasn't a monopoly on salvation anymore. Then it is not absolutely necessary anymore to believe in the christian god.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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