well if ur basing ur beliefs on science, ill attack science. quite simply science is completley fickle, theories are being proven wrong all the time, for example quantam physics and the theory of relativity, the big bang theory replaced a different theory (i forget what the name is). so really its only a matter of time until a 'more accurate theory' comes out. what will u do then? what will happen to the beliefs u hold so staunchly
rather than basing ur beliefs on science, i suggest u base them on ration.
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That's right.
Einstein's theory of relativity replaced Newton's theory gravity, because it is more accurate and explains the phenomenon of gravity better.
It doesn't mean that Newton's theory is wrong, though, and it is still used for planning space missions with extreme accuracy by NASA.
Theories are not evaluated by some black and white standard of wrong or right. They are instead evaluated on how well the evidence supports them, whether or not they make testable predictions and it's usefulness.
The reason I say usefulness is because although Relativity will produce a more accurate result than Newton's theories, Newton's theories are accurate enough for most purposes. We don't need relativity to calculate the trajectory of a satellite passing through Jupiter's gravity, Newton's theories are good enough.
Besides, being shown to be wrong sometimes is a good thing. I wouldn't trust someone who never changed their mind despite new evidence.
the big bang theory replaced a different theory (i forget what the name is)
It's called "creationism."
Why do fundamentalists associate weakness with change? They seem unable to grasp that science, as it uncovers more of the world, does so through slow steps where in one view is adopted until it is shown to be wrong and is then replaced. They go on and on about how their holy book never changes without realising that without change things die.
"well if ur basing ur beliefs on science, ill attack science."
Science isn't a belief system nor is it an ethical system. It is a rational way to understand the universe based on observation & experiment.
"theories are being proven wrong all the time."
1 I'll bet any amount of money you don't know what "theory" means.
2 Theories are not so much proven wrong as they are modified or replaced be new theories as better evidence is discovered. As an earlier poster mentioned Newton's Theory of gravity wasn't wrong, but was simply replaced by a better theory that covered a wider range of observations.
3 Also remember any new theory must be consistant with all the data that supported the previous theory.
" so really its only a matter of time until a 'more accurate theory' comes out.
Correct! However, I suspect you really don't believe it.
"what will u do then? what will happen to the beliefs u hold so staunchly"
As mentioned above, science holds no beliefs. Science unlike religion is not fixed dogma.
"rather than basing ur beliefs on science, i suggest u base them on ration."
I assume you meant base them on reason. We do, unlike fundie theists.
...quite simply science is completley fickle...
Actually it's quite consistent in its methods, even if its conclusions change as a result of new evidence or better insights.
so really its only a matter of time until a 'more accurate theory' comes out.
Only if further evidence or deeper rational insight makes it so. It certainly beats pulling imaginary "explanations" out of your ass in order to avoid the mental discomfort of uncertainty.
The whole point is that we don't hold our "beliefs" "staunchly." We're open to new information, and new evidence. All you can do is cling to whatever holy book you prefer, and rant as knowledge passes you by. I pity you for not knowing what it's like to expand your mind.
The Big Bang, the only example for which you almost name a theory and what it replaced, replaced the steady-state model about a half a century ago. That hardly establishes your "all the time" claim.
Science changes because it allows the presentation of the best data, no matter when that data becomes available. On the other hand, the Bible allows only for "data" from thousands of years ago.
Ur is a city in Iraq.
A scientific theory is very difficult to proove wrong. In fact for something become a thory,,, It generaly has to be supported by ovewhelming evidence.
In other words, "rather than basing ur beliefs on an attempt to rationally explain observed facts, i suggest u base them on stuff people made up 2,000 - 4,000 years ago".
Dude, it's not like there's a great big publishing company out there getting set to release Eternity & Existence, v3.5 or anything. You don't have to dump your collection and get all the new sourcebooks whenever a scientific theory gets supplanted. It's more of a Player's Option kind of thing. [/snark]
Seriously. This is a whole bunch of War With Eurasia right here.
I will pass over the fact that you´re using computers, medicines and so on. Just tell me this one, how do you know that relativity and quantum theory have been disproven?, to my knowledge, they´re still a challenge for the scientists. Second, which theory, whose name you can´t remember, replaced the Big Bang?, that God created the world in six days?. Of course, we change theories all the time, so long as evidence is presented.
rather than basing ur beliefs on science, i suggest u base them on ration.
Science is rationality, you moron. And the belief we "hold so staunchly" is in the scientific method, and is far more fundamental than belief in any one theory it produces. Our beliefs in a given scientific theory may be shaken whenever it is superseded by a better one, but that only serves to reinforce the belief in the validity of the method that produces those theories when they turn out to work better.
Yeah, remember those MORONS who invented the spear? Dumbfucks, they think they are so great until the bow and arrow came along and it had better reach and accuracy. Then those IDIOTS thought that was like the pinnacle of weapons until some guy came along and put a musketball in their ass. And then these blackpower-packing shit-for-brains thought they were king-shit until the machine gun was invented. Yeah, right, like that could hold its own against an ariel bomb! Get real. So these guys think they're the kings of the world until...
Progression. What a horrible thing for a fundie to comprehend.
scientific thoeries change because new evidence is discovered that the old theory can't explain, therefore the theory is changed to fit the evidence, if the theory stays valid for a certain period of time (i forget how much exactly and what other criteria there is) it becomes a scientific law.
this is the oposite of religion, which refuses to change its beliefs no matter what the evidence says
Actually, throwing out invalid theories when new evidence comes up is a good thing. If the evidence does not support a theory, that theory really should be thrown out. Self-correcction in science helps ensure its accuracy.
Sticking to invalid theories that are full of huge gaping holes (i.e. creationism) on the other hand...
EDIT: Oops, double post.
Heavens! Science changes when confronted with evidence to the contrary!
Personally, I'm more incline to believe someone who's willing to admit an error than someone who charges blindly forward, denying any opposition to their views.
Stop using computers.
Idiot.
Whereas the Bible has consistently stated that you can alter the markings on goats with a striped stick.
I'll take the ones admitting when they're wrong and revising to fit the evidence over the ones gonig "NUH-UH! MY BOOK SAYS YOU'RE WRONG!"
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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