[in response against his claim that god has already decided who goes to heaven and who goes to hell - it was pointed out that if he is not on god's list then his rightous life is a waste of time]
My determination to remain righteous will determine the outcome that God has determined for those who are determined to remain righteous and likewise those who have the determination to remain unrighteous are determined to have the outcome that God has determined for those who are unrighteous.
Determination is the effect of the freedom of choice.
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It's like Back to the Future, when Marty McFly goes back and accidentally splits his parents up, but it turns out he's the one that got them together. Or something like that, I haven't seen the movie in forever.
Though I doubt god has a DeLorean...
What.
By his own argument,Calvinism is countered... by changing god's mind, even though he already knows either way.. Not exactly a strong thological position.. then again, this is FSTDT
Hey Papabear,
probably not more powerful, just more DETERMINED. :P
What we really need to develop is a quick quips quill, so when the rapture comes we can just distract whatever diety shows up and have it quick scrall our name in the book-of-everlasting-drunkenness.
By determining what he was determined to express by determinedly typing on his keyboard, through dogged determination, I have determinedly determined that Bodhitharta is an wanker of indeterminate cognitive capacity.
Well, it's like pointing out to a Jehovah's Witness that if he's not on the list of 144000 to experience the Rapture, then it's a waste of time. And if it's not pre-determined, it turns into a holy war of "I'm more righteous than you!"
Maybe this fundie is saying it's like that for him as well :P
In reference to: "Well, it's like pointing out to a Jehovah's Witness that if he's not on the list of 144000 to experience the Rapture, then it's a waste of time. And if it's not pre-determined, it turns into a holy war of "I'm more righteous than you!"
Maybe this fundie is saying it's like that for him as well :P "
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No, he is simply saying that he is determined to be determined to understand that God is determined to determine who is determined to be determined to understand that God is determined to determine what being determined means.
<<<So if I just wish hard enough I can make God do my bidding?>>>
According to the Hindus you can. Just meditate, don't eat, drink or sleep for a while and watch your power grow. Once your powers are strong enough the gods will feel threatened and try to stop you. But Keep on going for a while and you can enslave the gods.
One thing I find truly bizarre is the sects that believe increadibly strongly in predeterminism (I'd stab at the rapture ready crowd), also scream incredibly loudly about abortion being wrong.
A little consistency people!
Oh and this has to be Boddhi's sanest post yet! *sigh* (probably due to the lack of mathematical equations)
This senseless blabber bears much similarity to the sermon of the crazy boring prophet in "Life of Brian". For your amusement, here the sermon ;-)
"There shall in that time be rumors of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia-work base, that has an attachment. At that time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer, and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight O'clock."
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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