The doctor was insane.
You have seen his kind in bloody, horror movies.
He was Dr. Jack Kervorkian, known as "Dr. Death" or "The Ghoul" who escorted terminal patients through the doors of death.
Kervorkian said, "vast numbers of people are alive who would rather be dead, who have lives not worth living." This is frightening because these exact words, "lives not worth living," were the exact words the Nazi used to murder children and adults who were mentally deficient.
He can be compared to the Nazi concentration death camp "doctor" Josef Mengele who was not interested in questions of "care," and cared nothing for actually "counseling" those who came to him.
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The Germans themselves became frightened when their soldier husbands and sons came back with bad injuries that left them in a state of "lives not worth living."
Who decides?
The Nazi doctors did.
They still do.
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The concept of "consent" certainly seems to puzzle a lot of people.
Part of me, Mr. McCann, hopes you end up bedridden, in constant pain, and looking forward to no change or improvement in your condition for at least a decade. Then we'll see what your opinion of Dr. Kervorkian might be.
A doctor who grants a peaceful death to people who want to die because every second of their life is unbearable agony and not worth living.
A quack under orders to use discredited psuedo-science to come up with any excuse to justify the systematic murder of others who want very much to continue living because the one giving those orders doesn't think those lives have value.
Eh. Same difference it seems.
What I want. What someone else wants to do to me.
Eh. Same difference, it seems.
Lying and killing for Jesus. Lying and kiling for God. Lying and killing for Muhammad. Lying and killing for your own stupid self.
Tell me what's the difference? Because it's all the same to me and there's less dividing it than any of the previous examples.
For those wondering why fundies seem so confused by consent remember that a great deal of their world-veiw is based on the idea that god/jebus/FSM/the invisible hand/whatever should make all your descisions for you, and deciding things for yourself is actually immoral.
Consent isn't confusing so much as it's anathema.
@Churchy
If someone wants to die, I have no moral right to stop them.
Thom, go step on several lego. Euthanasia is consensual whereas medical torture isn't. Euthanasia is chosen over living (usually for a short time) with a terminal illness that drastically reduces the quality of life. These patients are choosing to go out on their terms in comfort and peace.
If you are monstrous enough to deny them that, then you are far closer to Josef Mengele then you try to paint Dr. Kervorkian as being.
Who decides?
Well, in the case of the Nazis it was them who decided, without consent of the person in question.
In case of euthanasia it that person themself who decides.
Most people would be able to spot the difference.
As someone who wants the right to end my life when I choose to, people like Kervorkian are protecting my right to that choice. The Nazi doctors you are describing take that choice away from people who may or may not want to die by deciding for them. Can you see the difference?
Now, to get on my soap box; Ivurm, sometimes people are in such a state they can't choose euthanasia for themselves and that forces the family to make that choice. Everybody out there, please, let you family know what your wishes are if you are ever in such a state. If you care for their feelings please let them know what you would want, don't force them to make that choice blindly
I'm not a fan of Dr. Kervorkian, but I appreciate what he was trying to do. People shouldn't have to live with a painful, incurable, terminal illness if they don't want to.
#1877090
Yes, I am. He thought people should have the right to choose if they want to die, and helped them do it as painlessly as possible
Who decides?
The Nazi doctors did.
They still do.
The patient decides, you lying fuckbag. Kevorkian, agree with him or not, never killed anyone who didn't ask him to do it.
@ #1877090:
Kervorkian never encouraged anyone to kill themselves, he fought for their right to do so. The system fought against that right.
Mengele was a perverted research doctor given a group of unfortunately complacent captors to experiment on, it's been proven many of his experiments were research on how much pain one can survive and how much tissue/body loss one can survive with an aside of madness studies.
@Sasha:
I rather think that even if they understand the concept, they just don’t care. If their holy book says that something is OK, it is OK, regardless if the people it concerns consent to it or not. And vice-versa.
Confused?
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