You are allowing a philosophical UNREASONED bias into the conversation by ASSUMING that you have a right to declare the owning of slaves, the slaughter of infants, and the butchery of innocent women and children, to be morally evil. Who told you those things were evil? Or do you just run off of your gut instincts? Who is being the unreasonable one here? Bear in mind, I am not saying they are good things necessarily but since my morality is based on scripture, I take those acts to have a meaning beyond just what my gut tells me.
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Depends: Kantianism, or Utilitarianism? Or would some Randian like to enter this conversation? Or any other philosophical zealot? anyone at all?
"Who told you those things were evil?"
If you got your head out your fucking retarded bible and read a real book once in a while you might realise one does their thinking with their head, not their heart as the bible claims, and emotions are also in your head, not your kidneys as the bible claims!
Christian signatures only, sorry. It has to be them admitting it themselves, however unwittingly, for it to count. :(
Bear in mind, I am not saying they are good things necessarily but since my morality is based on scripture, I take those acts to have a meaning beyond just what my gut tells me.
Hi, I'm going to kill your children and rape your wife, oh and I hope you enjoy your new life as a galley slave. God told me to do it so I'm sure it'll be O K with you. Cheers, Nekhbet
@Fundie Nut
You are allowing a philosophical UNREASONED bias into the conversation... ...by ASSUMING that you have a right to declare the owning of slaves, the slaughter of infants, and the butchery of innocent women and children, to be morally evil.
I don't have a right to declare something evil, and I don't assume I do. I do, however, know that those actions are wrong.
@Fundie LunkheadWho told you those things were evil?
Nobody "told" me they were evil. If your idea of morality is doing what someone tells you to do, you're not moral at all.
@Fundie AsshatOr do you just run off of your gut instincts?
No. There are ways to figure out whether something is right or wrong. For people similar to you, just ask yourself: "Would I want this done to me?" If the answer is no, the act is immoral. For very different people, ask yourself: "Does (s)he want the action done to him/her?" If the answer is no, it's immoral. Obviously, the real world is complicated; actions have many effects, and some harm to others is unavoidable, but morality is much more than instinct and/or doing what someone tells you to do.
@Fundie IdiotWho is being the unreasonable one here?
You are. (You walked right into that one.)
@Crazy Fundie Bear in mind, I am not saying they are good things necessarily but since my morality is based on scripture, I take those acts to have a meaning beyond just what my gut tells me.
Yikes. I'm blown away. I'm gonna have to translate this into English.
[Acme Translator is starting up]
Machine translations are imperfect. Single-tired-person translations may be equally flawed. Fundiebabble-to-English translator now engaged.
Translation:
Bear in mind, I don't think killing is always good, but since I have been brainwashed into believing that every act performed by a character in an ancient book of myths is always good, I think that genocide and slavery are sometimes justifiable.
And they wonder how atheists can be moral?
EDIT: The translation was subjected to a formatting malfunction again, with the "wrote:" at the end. Maybe translations shouldn't be in quote tags, even though I like the red box.
How about we force you to work in cotton fields for free, and discipline you with tazers up your asscrack, after that, you can tell us how righteous slavery is. If that ain't enough to rattle you, we could then slaughter babies in your neighborhood, and claim God told us to do it.
If I may plug a book, this is exactly what Huck Finn is about. (Ok, I'm sure you've all read it, but...) Huck struggles with the conflict between the morality he grew up with and his own empathy. Spoiler: empathy wins.
<< Bear in mind, I am not saying they are good things necessarily but since my morality is based on scripture, I take those acts to have a meaning beyond just what my gut tells me. >>
To be fair to the fundietard, he doesn't seem to actually be saying any of these things ARE good, just saying that only scripture really tells him they're evil... which, funnily enough, it doesn't.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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