In response to “I’m not a vegetarian hater; I just hate bogus arguments” Chimpanzees do NOT hunt down and consume other small animals, besides bugs like ants and fleas. While yes, humans were never meant to be strictly vegan, they were certainly not meant to eat pigs, or cows. Why do you think we cook and spice our meat? We cook our meet to avoid meat-borne diseases that carnivores and some omnivores are naturally resistant to, and so that we can actually chew and digest it. We spice and flavor our food so that the taste appeals to us. Also we don’t “salivate at the thought of grass and control our “instinctive” urge to eat every bush and plant they pass when walking down the street” because those aren’t plants that humans would consume naturally in the wild, but I would have to control the “urge” to eat a mango, for instance. And animals in the wild aren’t obese because they have a reason to get up and work out, while most humans don’t. Wild animals also don’t have the abundance of food that we do. In fact the reason we love sugars so much is that they are good and essential for us in the right amount, but scarce in the wild, so we have an instinct to eat them when available. the same goes for fats and oils found in potato chips. Humans are omnivores, but only to the point of our ability to eat certain bugs and worms, which is by standard, gross, and not something I, or anyone else considered “normal” would ever do unless forced.
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"Chimpanzees do NOT hunt down and consume other small animals,"
Chimpanzees DO hunt down and consume other small animals. You fail.
Humans are omnivores, but only to the point of our ability to eat certain bugs and worms
If we can eat bugs and worms, we can eat meat after it's been properly prepared. Get over it.
Bonobos say "Hello" by penetrating each other. We are neither Chimpanzees nor Bonobos, but homo sapiens.
Ask the Japanese, I think they eat some bugs. Other Asian countries might also do this. But, perhaps only white, anglo-saxon, protestant Americans are considered "normal" in your world.
Hey, see how you bash eating the larger animals and then immidietly go on about how bugs are icky?
Guess what, some folks enjoy eating them, me for instance, so, in short: Good job being an egocentric asshole.
@Swede
There are actually quite a few such people here in the west, hell, we even have our restaurants, where you can try such delicasies, as fried locust kebab or spicy african ants. ;)
> And animals in the wild aren’t obese because they have a reason to get up and work out, while most humans don’t. Wild animals also don’t have the abundance of food that we do. In fact the reason we love sugars so much is that they are good and essential for us in the right amount, but scarce in the wild, so we have an instinct to eat them when available. the same goes for fats and oils found in potato chips.
Just need to point out that this, oddly enough, is completely true.
So, the fact that we season meat so that it tastes better is evidence that we are not "supposed" to eat meat, but we are "supposed" to eat bugs and worms despite the fact that we find them disgusting? There's a bit of a disconnect in that line of reasoning.
"Why do you think we cook and spice our meat?"
Because we like the way it tastes? Because cooked meats keep better than raw? Because it is easier to digest? Of course, there are a few dishes out there that are prepared without cooking.
"...so that we can actually chew and digest it."
Have you ever looked into how much effort a cow has to put into digesting plant matter? Human digestive systems are not adapted to breaking down most plants in a way that makes it a liveable diet, at least until you have mass agriculture and global transportation.
"We cook our meet to avoid meat-borne diseases..."
True. Of course, if we were still scavenging like early humans and had never learned to cook, we'd still be a lot better at resisting those diseases.
Your definition of "normal" does not match everyone's definition. Normal diets vary by culture and by what foods are available in a specific location.
A live cow doesn't look appetizing to me. A cooked hot dog does.
Why? Because humans have been preparing food for hundreds of thousands of years, and the finished product often doesn't look like the source material. I don't salivate at stalks of wheat either, but prepare it into a good bread and I'll love the taste.
You just made the argument that humans aren't really meat-eaters because we don't like raw meat, and then turned around and claimed that we are naturally inclined to eat things which according to you, no normal person would consume unless forced.
Do you see the hole in your logic here?
Look, I realise you people really want humans not to be omnivores. Unfortunately though, reality has never much cared what you want. Humans do just fine eating meat. If you're looking for a way to stop us, you're going to have to find something other than pointing out that this is one of many ways in which we're different from chimpanzees.
Insects and worms are eaten in most of the non-Western world. Humans have very little ability to eat plants. Most of the plants we eat today are the result of millennia of our own genetic engineering. For the other 99.9% of the plant life on earth that we can't digest, we have to move up the food chain: depend on true herbivorous animals (birds, insects, fish, etc.) to eat them, and then eat the animals. The reason we like (simple) sugars and starches is because they're the only ones we can digest. Once sugars are linked together into cellulose, we can't, and have to depend on other creatures to do it for us.
Look a PETA retard, why am I not surprised.
Chimpanzees do hunt down small animals. Couldn't you even do a simple google search right?
Well, Chimps hunt and brutally kill other monkey, to eath them.
You know there are plenties of dish involving meat raw, like a carpaccio or steak tartare
Human are omnivorous and this include meat.
So enjoy your mango while i eat my tartare.
Humans are omnivores, but only to the point of our ability to eat certain bugs and worms
Come again? We digest meat just fine.
"We cook our meet to avoid meat-borne diseases that carnivores and some omnivores are naturally resistant to,"
We do now. But we discovered eating before we invented cooking. 100,000 years ago we ate meat, along with anything else we could get our incisors into raw.
meh, not fundy, mostly right. yeah, chimps do hunt but not routinely. the biggest problem i see with it is they say:
"While yes, humans were never meant to be strictly vegan, they were certainly not meant to eat pigs, or cows."
yeah, people weren't *meant* to eat anything. but that cuts both ways.
Uh. Not even completely wrong, but... Thinking that chimps don't hunt down and kill other animals is ridiculous; they kill each other, including young, as well as other species. Maybe they were thinking of the bonobos? Though even they will occasionally hunt small animals for food. And, yes, humans eat bugs. For a lot of people it is totally normal as it is common where they live. Ever see Bizarre Foods? Aboriginal people still hunt and fish and raise domesticated animals along with eating insects/arachnids/worms/etc. and also eating plants and fruit. So that also kinda contradicts the "only bugs" hypothesis.
"While yes, humans were never meant to be strictly vegan, they were certainly not meant to eat pigs, or cows."
Meant? Meant by whom? Or What? Who cares? Whether it's an appeal to divine intention, some kind of weird aliens or just a good old appeal to nature it's no kind of argument.
When I was in Puerto Rico during Spring Break, I bought a sucker that had a cricket inside of it.
The candy was good, the cricket was nasty.
Given the option, I'll stick with bacon any day.
"Chimpanzees do NOT hunt down and consume other small animals"
Here is a photo of a family of Chimpanzees eating a deer.
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It took me about a second to find that on Google Image Search using the terms 'Chimpanzees eating meat'.
Humans aren't chimpanzees! Even if we were, chimps do regularly hunt down smaller animals and eat them!
Humans are recent carnivores, but it's pretty well-known that humans have been eating meat for as long as we've existed as a species.
"Male chimpanzees occasionally cooperatively hunt, to kill and eat other mammals, such as bush pigs, monkeys and antelope."
Jane Goodall disagrees.
Vegans must supplement vitamin B12. Ask Google why. And carnivorous animals, which humans ARE, are not "meant" to eat one animal and not another. They eat any readily available animal that they can take down.
Another vegan who lies his ass off to justify his cult.
"Chimpanzees do NOT hunt down and consume other small animals,"
Yes, actually they do. And rather brutally I might add.
"While yes, humans were never meant to be strictly vegan, they were certainly not meant to eat pigs, or cows."
Humans weren't MEANT to be anything, Pro-V: you're assuming goal-oriented intention where none exists.
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