Please note that Hovind did not break the law. He was charged with "structuring" his financial withdrawals in such a way as to "evade" the law requiring reporting of transactions of over $10,000.
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No, he was burrowing away cash to hide his real income from the IRS.
In doing so, he evaded paying tax and thus committed fraud aganst the American people.
He is a criminal and deserves to be in jail.
Alaina is confusing tax avoidance with tax evasion.
Donations to charity, business losses, interests paid on loans are usual examples of the former. Accountants make a good living on these.
Submitting false income tax returns is an example of the latter.
Tax avoidance is the right of all Americans. Tax evasion is a crime.
He was not charged with tax avoidance.
He claimed that he was his own little church and that all his money belonged to god, Kent was just spending it for him.
Sheeple are amazing creatures to watch. Scary but amazing.
Not everyone is cut out to be a tax accountant or tax attorney. Our economy needs people to say, "Hi, I'm Alaina, and I'll be your server this evening."
Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars.
What that tells me, is that in order to follow the good book, Mr. Hovind should be paying what is owed rather than looking for loopholes.
Of course, he also broke the laws of the Unites States, making him a felon using our laws, and a sinner using yours.
Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's.
Caesar's very pissed off with Hovind the thief, and even more pissed with those maggots who try to justify the actions of a convicted thief.
Watch your self.
"Kent Hovind had been charged with falsely declaring bankruptcy, making threats against federal officials, filing false complaints, failing to get necessary building permits, and various tax-related charges. He was convicted of federal tax offenses and related charges, for which he is currently serving a 10-year sentence."
Sounds like a bit more than simply routinely going the speed limit, which, at the furthest stretch might get you pulled over for suspicion of illegal activity depending on the circumstances.
There was another crazy line on there I debated submitting, but it thought this was better since it directly used the word "evasion." The other line said something to the extant of although Kent paid people do work for him, Kent did not have any employees in his ministry and thus, didn't have to take out their taxes on their pay checks.
"Please note that Hovind did not break the law. He was charged with "structuring" his financial withdrawals in such a way as to "evade" the law requiring reporting of transactions of over $10,000."
Which, by federal law, is illegal to do.
"Suppose you were pulled over for going 55 miles and hour in a 55 zone. The officer says, "I have clocked you everyday for a month going 55, so I am stopping you for speeding. I know you were purposely going 55 to avoid going over the speed limit. So since you were "structuring" your driving habits to deliberately "evade" the speeding regulations, I am going to give you a ticket.""
This analogy is so completely stupid and utterly irrelevant on so many levels it's not even funny.
"What has our country come to?"
Yes, it's a pity that those who commit crimes are punished.
*sniff* I love you guys. I live and work in the bible belt and have to put up with people who think Hovind is innocent and God's gift to the world of science.
Then I come here and read all your comments and I know that I'm not the only one who can see through this man's bull shit. Just makes my day a little brighter.
Please note that Hovind did not break the law. He was charged with "structuring" his financial withdrawals in such a way as to "evade" the law requiring reporting of transactions of over $10,000.
Yes, dozens of times in a very short period of time... it's a classic money-laundering tactic.
Suppose you were pulled over for going 55 miles and hour in a 55 zone. The officer says, "I have clocked you everyday for a month going 55, so I am stopping you for speeding. I know you were purposely going 55 to avoid going over the speed limit. So since you were "structuring" your driving habits to deliberately "evade" the speeding regulations, I am going to give you a ticket."
No, it's more like (warning, UK-centric anology ahead) crossing the Channel several dozen times in a week to bring back cheap tobacco... sure, you're not bringing in more than your own personal allowance each time, but you're structuring your trips to deliberately evade excise duty and it's extremely ILLEGAL!
What has our country come to?
Yeah... it's just wrong to punish criminals, isn't it?
Please note that Hovind did not break the law. He was charged with "structuring" his financial withdrawals in such a way as to "evade" the law requiring reporting of transactions of over $10,000. Which is breaking the law.
It is not like going 55 in a 55 mph zone, because it is lawful to carry out transactions in excess of $10,000, whereas it is not lawful to exceed the speed limit.
A lot of the arguments Kent Hovind threw at the IRS before (and, I believe, during) the trial were standard Tax Protestor rhetoric. (And here, I mean "tax protestor" in the sense of someone who comes up with cockamamie pseudo-legal theories like "The 16th amendment was never ratified" or "Wages aren't income" in order to come to the conclusion that nobody is legally required to pay income tax.)
We had a fun ol' time with him over at http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewforum.php?f=8
@Doctor Whom - #484755 - 2008-Apr-04 05:19 PM
That would be too high class for Alaina. I think what you were looking for was people who say, "Would you like fries with that?" or "That will be $6.95, please pull forward to the window."
Bad analogy. Driving 55 twice is not the same thing as driving 110 once. But under the law, depositing $18,000 by making two closely-spaced deposits of $9,000 is the same as depositing $18,000 once, unless you have some legitimate explanation (e.g., you sold two horses for $9,000 each on two different days). The structuring laws are on the books whether Kent agrees with them or not. If you don't agree with them, you have the right to petition the government to have them changed. You don't have the right to ignore laws you don't agree with.
Anyway, Kent wasn't charged with money-laundering. That was his wife. Kent was charged with tax evasion.
The other line said something to the extant of although Kent paid people do work for him, Kent did not have any employees in his ministry and thus, didn't have to take out their taxes on their pay checks.
Kent tried this argument (and a shotgun bunch of other equally stupid ones). The court didn't buy it. You can't just call your employees "volunteers" or "independent contractors" to avoid payroll taxes. The law has carefully closed that loophole - otherwise every employer would do it (Microsoft tried decades earlier ... they didn't get away with it either). The "volunteers" themselves testified that they had no such understanding and believed themselves to be employees.
"Please note that Hovind did not break the law. He was charged with "structuring" his financial withdrawals in such a way as to "evade" the law requiring reporting of transactions of over $10,000. "
In the first part of the sentence you claim he didn't break the law, then in the rest of it show he did break the law. And your speeding ticket analogy was beyond stupidity. Tax evasion is a federal crime, and he did it. Suck it up.
"What has our country come to"? You are so right, you should be ashamed for embarrassing all Christians by making them seem like stupid rubes, ripe for the picking by any two-bit shyster. You poor pitiful sheep are selfishly defending a scam artist who was stealing in the Lord's name rather than admit that you were taken in by a con man who lied to then stole from you and cheated every other honest American taxpayer while falsely claiming to do God's work. And then he added insult to injury by LYING IN COURT AFTER SWEARING TO TELL THE TRUTH ON A BIBLE!!!! You are defending a man who should be a disgrace to Christians everywhere for lying on a BIBLE.
They seriously think that's basicaly what happened to Hovind? lol
'if you pull into a parking lot on one side of it, and pull out on the other side to avoid a red light you can get a ticket for evading a traffic device.'
Well, I'll continue to do it, anyhow... I'm not going to wait at a light if I don't have to. >,>
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@Deep Search
Why was Jesus' answer "Give Ceasar that which is Ceasar's, give God that which is God's" considered to be such a clever answer when the Pharisees were trying to trap him? Well see, other independence agitators in judea were going around claiming that Israel was God's land.
Structuring to evade, that is called fraud in English. Frauds are against the law. If you commit a fraud, you break the law.
Your analogy sucks. It's more like going 75 miles an hour, but slowing down to 55 right before the camera. Or like hiding your face and your license plate, so that the camera can't register you.
Your country has come to be a place where, if you make a lot of money on stupid people, you are supposed to pay taxes on that money.
The sadest thing I think, that shows up in Hovind defenses, is that they really do know he broke the law but think it doesn't apply to him.
They worship Kent (he's a prophet to many who just know there's a Christian answer to all scientific discovery) and believe he is above the law and too important to be punished as others.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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