Paradigm: Where does it say in the Bible that Adam and Even didn't need food to survive?
LOL! Think about it, Paradigm! Their bodies were originally made to live forever. And they would have, too, if they hadn't sinned; death came about as a result of the Fall. When you have a body that's made to live forever, you don't need food and liquids to survive. To need it for survival means that you will die without it. Well, if you have a body that's meant to live eternally, you're not going to die if you don't eat or drink. You'll eat it and drink it simply because you enjoy doing so. It was probably the same way for the animals at that point.
And that's what Adam and Eve did, until the Fall. After the Fall, they had to eat and drink, or die of starvation and/or dehydration. And when that happened, the animals faced the same necessity.
51 comments
...what? You made observation A, then you jumped to conclusion C, but you left out an explanatory B to show how A results in C.
And, dude, you may need people to explain everything to you as verbosely and redundantly as possible, but for the rest of us, it's annoying and can actually make you slightly harder to understand.
Do you also believe that if you say that there is no fairies a fairy will die? And that Santa lives at the North Pole? It is so 'cause it says so in the bible, and it says so 'cause it is so?
We want book, chapter and verse, not your childish beliefs in a (very scary) bed time story.
@idea:
Nah, it's futile. They don't take reasonable people seriously. Plus, they're also really quick and eager to pull out their ban-hammer and smite people with it. Besides, I don't want them coming over here and doing the same thing to us.
Your own Bible disagrees with you:
Gen. 1:29-30: And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein [there is] life, [I have given] every green herb for meat: and it was so.
I don't think it's so outrageous to say so. It's Genesis, after all. If the book is silly, then why wouldn't the rationalizations be, also? The stuff Ken Ham makes up about this is a lot more weird and interesting.
In fact, it's more like an argument against the bible, than a terrible, terrible thing for a fundie to say.
Okay but now how did they sin? If they didn't eat then they wouldn't have eaten from the Tree of Good and Evil. And God wouldn't have bothered telling them about the Tree in the first place, because he wouldn't have to worry about them eating it because they don't eat. And why would God design our bodies with a digestive system if he never meant for us to eat things in the first place?
The best part is that I knew this would happen. What we have witnessed here people isn't just a bat shit insane post. It's apologetic gone so far that it has now actually contradicted and destroyed the very faith it was supposed to defend. If you have any linger doubts about abandoning Christianity, I would drop them now.
So the answer is nowhere, right?
Gen. 2:16-17 (prior to the Fall)
"And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat :
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Sheesh - read your own book, for crissake!
"After the Fall, they had to eat and drink, or die of starvation and/or dehydration. And when that happened, the animals faced the same necessity."
So not only has every generation since then been punished for the sins of Adam and Eve, the animals are all being punished for Adam & Eve's sins too?
Sounds like God had a wee too big of a temper-tantrum when somebody nibbled from His favorite tree.
[Well, if you have a body that's meant to live eternally, you're not going to die if you don't eat or drink. You'll eat it and drink it simply because you enjoy doing so.]
So in heaven I'll enjoy eating my body and drinking my blood?
So explain to me the tree of life in Genesis 3:22-23. If they were made immortal before the fall then why was there a tree of life in the first place?
22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
"When you have a body that's made to live forever, you don't need food and liquids to survive."
So...did Adam have an asshole?
You couldn't have a body that's meant to live eternally but requires food and drink to maintain it?
I suppose God could have just suspended the laws of physics for them, but I can't see that being much of a life.
Whatever, this is a new one for me, and it's crazy.
" Well, if you have a body that's meant to live eternally, you're not going to die if you don't eat or drink. You'll eat it and drink it simply because you enjoy doing so. It was probably the same way for the animals at that point. "
So now the question "why does T-Rex have meat eating teeth when he eats grass?" becomes "Why do animals have teeth at all if they don't eat?"
Also, why does the digestive system exist at all?
Riddle me this: If A&E didn't need to eat and drink, why oh why, did God provide instructions about what to eat (Genesis 1:29-30) just two verses after creating man (Genesis 1:27) and before any mention of the Fall?
If I ever meet or even hear of a fundie who shows any evidence of actually having read even one verse in the Bible, I will probably die of shock.
Okay...
There are many failures in your logic, but I'm going to go with the one that's most likely to get through to you:
If Adam and Eve didn't eat normally, why did they bother eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge? They had NO REASON TO EAT ANYTHING. They would likely be unaware of what eating was.
Reading comprehension fail.
In the story they were given the fruit of the trees to eat, far before the Fall.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
To post a comment, you'll need to Sign in or Register . Making an account also allows you to claim credit for submitting quotes, and to vote on quotes and comments. You don't even need to give us your email address.