(In a comment thread starting with him saying "god made marriage so why do you atheists do it")
in this country you forget God is in control of the whole world, how is what I mean by limited minds. In the bible it's says render unto God what is Gods and render unto man what is man. So if it takes a marriage license to proceed in getting married in the USA then God does not mind that, but if a christian minister refuses to marry a same sex or non christian couple you have to go look around until you find some minister to compromise what before you can get married. Understand this God does not recognize your marriage no matter how long you've been together, but the state recognizes mine
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No thank you, I don't want any word salad, I just had a large lunch.
This God does not recognize gay marriage? Then we want another god, please.
Marriage was originally little more than an ownership certificate; the offspring of your women were your legal offspring.
I don't care one way or another whether or not your god recognizes a marriage (mine or anyone else's). No one's forcing your minister to perform the ceremony. But separation of church and state (you know, that principle whereby health insurance providers don't have to cover birth control if they don't like it) should then dictate that what god recognizes, and what the state recognizes should be two different things...
Yup, I'm fine with that. It is the Minister's right to refuse to marry two people in his own Church. You can't force a religion to accept things that go against their beliefs.
However, seeing as you're creating a distinction between civil and religious marriage, you have no right to prevent gays from being married by the state, seeing as 'God doesn't mind'.
"god made marriage so why do you atheists do it"
Because the god in question was the FSM who is really cool with it if you don't want to believe in him, and besides he only came up with the idea as another excuse for a kicking party!
Hey, you beg the question, I donate the answer!
"in this country you forget God is in control of the whole world,"
Actually Allah is in control of the whole world because Islam is the real religion.
in this country you forget God is in control of the whole world
So, outside of the US of A, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is king of the hill? Perhaps Shiva? Maybe even... [in the Church Lady voice] SATAN?!
The thing that pisses me off is that if atheists didn't get married they'd be calling us immoral for "living in sin."
And if God is in control of the whole world, he's been doing a really shitty job of it.
"god made marriage so why do you atheists do it"
Indians and Chinese and Eskimos and Arorae Islanders have all married for centuries or even millennia before ever hearing of the Bible, and by vastly different ceremonies. Exactly which god made marriage?
you forget God is in control of the whole world
That's because it isn't true. Ignoring the fact that no gods exist, traditionally various tribes believed in regional gods and/or gods of various natural elements. Yahweh is just another regional god for the region of Israel and the ancient Hebrews believed that the other gods existed, they just didn't worship them, hence the commandment: "Thou shalt have no OTHER GODS before me". That commandment makes no sense unless the writer believed that other gods existed. There are also several references early on in the Bible that reference the Elohim as Yahweh says "we" and "us" a lot (referring to the existence of multiple gods). That's right, your religion was polytheistic in addition to being regional. So no, your own religion's history shows that God (Yahweh) isn't in control of the entire world nor is he meant to be.
Or they could just, you know, go to a courthouse and have a civil, secular ceremony. Nobody's saying the ministers have to perform same sex marriages, just the states.
"in this country you forget God is in control of the whole world, how is what I mean by limited minds."
Eh what? The part of that I understand is "God is in control of the whole world" which I challenge you to prove.
"In the bible it's says render unto God what is Gods and render unto man what is man."
What the Bible says is of no authority to many of us.
"So if it takes a marriage license to proceed in getting married in the USA then God does not mind that, but if a christian minister refuses to marry a same sex or non christian couple you have to go look around until you find some minister to compromise what before you can get married."
Are you drunk or just too stupid write a meaningful sentence?
No one is talking about forcing a Church or minister to marry anyone they don't want to marry, so I don't see why you would have a problem with other people's marriages.
"Understand this God does not recognize your marriage no matter how long you've been together, but the state recognizes mine"
Perfect! As I couldn't care less what you think you delusion of God likes.
"god made marriage so why do you atheists do it"
So I can have 700 wives, and 300 concubines, just like Solomon...?
Thanks for annihilating your own argument, and proving that marriage is purely down to the laws of the land; Romans 13:1-5, and all that jazz.
"Understand this; God does not recognize your marriage no matter how long you've been together, but the state recognizes mine"
Understand this fucker; God doesn't HAVE to recognize anyone's marriage in order for it to be valid in the eyes of the state. That includes gay marriage and a marriage between atheists.
Spiritual/Religious marriage and Civil marriage are not the same thing. You fail.
{in this country you forget God is in control of the whole world }
So... God's in control of the whole world, but only in this country?
Never mind, it's irrelevant. The problem here is you're forgetting that the burden of proof is on you in proving that your personal god who conveniently holds all of your opinions is the one that exists. Until then this whole rant of yours is just meaningless drivel.
This actually sounds fairly reasonable to me. As such, this will be the first comment I've done a "meh" on in like...forever!
If this guy can realize that as long as gays are allowed to get married, then who cares whether or not he thinks "God" recognizes it? Considering the shit that gets on this site, this is damned reasonable.
@lisamariefan: "If this guy can realize that as long as gays are allowed to get married, then who cares whether or not he thinks "God" recognizes it? Considering the shit that gets on this site, this is damned reasonable."
Thing is, I don't think that the guy is advocating that at all. It's just that a lot of times these guys are so insulated from the world at large, they can't understand how anybody could *not* be worried about whether or not god recognized their marriage.
If god is in control of the whole world he's doing a shitty job of it and I wouldn't brag if I were him.
Marriage ceremonies has been around in ancient Chinese dynasties (Shang and Chou) for centuries before your superstitious sheepherders came up with concept of the magic man in the sky.
Christianity stole marriage just like it stole Yuletide from the Germanic people and Lupercalia from the Romans.
I think this person is just trolling Huffington.
If not, then here's a history lesson:
Marriage predates Christianity.
Lesson over.
What any particular priest or religion thinks of atheists or homosexuals getting married is irrelevant. You don't need to get married in a church or by a priest. In Vegas, you don't even have to get out of your car. You can get married in a drive thru by an Elvis impersonator.
Does this guy really think atheists are concerned about whether an invisible man they don't believe in approves of their marriage?
Citation please? Your ass doesn't count.
Read the fucking Bible and a little bit of history. The Biblical definition of marriage was between one man and many women and its sole purpose was a means of passing wealth through the male heir.
Now fuck off.
Marriage, in some form or another, existed in countries that had never even heard of god.
Come on folks, it's sooo obvious:
The only reason atheists get married is to mock, upset, and persecute true Christians.
It's all part of the global atheist conspiracy and Obama's war on religion. But now that I've said it, they'll have to come kill me. This may be my last post ...
Say it slowly: atheists think there is no god.
Don't try to convince an atheist by telling him what god wants, because you may as well use Darth Vader.
Wait, this isn't fundie. It's actually rational. And aside from the fact that no atheist gives two shits about God recognizing anything, given that they don't believe gods exist, it says nothing terribly outrageous at all.
Understand this God does not recognize your marriage no matter how long you've been together, but the state recognizes mine
Translation "Nyah, Nyah, Nyah. I got privilege and you don't, Nyah, Nyah".
Understand this God does not recognize your marriage no matter how long you've been together, but the state recognizes mine
But it isn't God who gives you the right to visit your spouse in the hospital or cover you on their health insurance or allow you to collect their Social Security benefits if they die or have any say in where or how they'll be buried. The state does that. If God got off His holy butt and started doing these things, maybe it would actually be relevant whether or not He recognizes someone's marriage .
"in this country you forget God is in control of the whole world"
Do they even read they'er own holy book?
1 John 5:19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.
This is all true. So,if the state wants to make gay marriage legal, that's fine, because god still won't recognize their marriage, and they'll doubly go to hell. QED
So you're saying there's two kinds of marriage, religious-type and legal/state-type. To a certain degree, I can agree with that. With that in mind then, you really have no grounds to be against gay marriage if it's recognized under the legal/state version. So wtf?
"in this country you forget God is in control of the whole world..."
Oh dear! What a dilemma! How difficult it is to remember who the controller of the world is when He is so stubbornly non-existent. How difficult it is for an invisible Earth Lord to impress His subjects by showing them His fearsome, yet strangely crazed, visage.
How hard it is to pontificate when one's stentorian pronouncements usually lead to an outbreak of spontaneous drooling. Oh! If only we could do more than have to just imagine the sheer sublime pomposity of His utterances, if we could actually see them being made. Why! I think I'd melt into a puddle of dribble at the sheer thrill of it.
How frustrating it must be for Him to have to suffer in silence the petty carping and monstrous mockery of realists, particularly when His only recourse is to hurl a few tornadoes willy-nilly at the world and hope they hit the mockers. 'Course, they usually don't.
Though we've got a good idea of what He looks like, so we can at least picture a reasonable likeness of our world controller. We know that He looks a bit like that old bloke in the next street. You know the one, the one with the raggedy beard and the frustrated, raging countenance. The one who looks as though He needs a good women but whose repellant nature leaves him having to settle for living the lonely life of a smelly sheep shagger.
In the US you can get a non-religeous marriage celebrant, some wiccans, and even the city clerks office if you want. No preist required because marriage is a secular issue to the state.
Why would a christian minister sanction a non-christian marriage ?
The state does not recognise religious ceremonies without the proper secular license.
Ganesh rules parts of this world !
"god made marriage so why do you atheists do it"
An Atheist & homosexual - Alan Turing:
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Developed that computer you have. So why are you fundies using it?
You know what? That's okay with me. If that's good enough for you, then we'll all be fine . State marriage can be fair and sane, and religious marriage can be dependent on the feelings of the religious person, and you can console yourself that in an arena only you care about you win, and we can just not mess with one another, 'kay?
*parents were married by signing a marriage license with a city clerk, on April Fool's Day, when they both had a day off work during the blue moon, and Mom was on crutches; twenty-two years solid man*
A wild homophobe appears.
LGBT people use Obergefell vs. Hodges. Also, Romans 13:1-5.
It's Super Effective!
OP faints as it's 'argument' dies.
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