Another shooting and once again the "liberals" are crying for gun control ...but they favor legalizing illegal drugs..... and they are opposed to christian teachings ..... and they oppose those who believe in God...... and they favor the destruction of moral social values by promoting issues like gay marriages ...... and they oppose parents punishing their kids ..... and they oppose the death penalty and stronger prison sentences for violent crimes ..... but they oppose the private ownership of guns by HONEST citizens ..... SIGH!!!!!!!!
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If you want gun ownership to be derestricted, you're arguing in favour of personal responsibility, yet if you want to criminalise drug use, you're arguing against personal responsibility. To be consistent, surely you should support either restricting both drugs and guns, or derestricting both of them.
but they favor legalizing illegal drugs.....
Not me. I can see the medical uses for marijuana, I suppose, but all the other nasty stuff has no beneficial purpose.
and they are opposed to christian teachings .....
Only in public schools.
and they oppose those who believe in God......
Not really, no.
and they favor the destruction of moral social values by promoting issues like gay marriages ......
If you replace "destruction" with "acceptance," then you'd have it right.
and they oppose parents punishing their kids .....
Depends on the method. Do you mean grounding them, mildly spanking them, or beating them until they can't walk? The line has to be drawn somewhere.
and they oppose the death penalty and stronger prison sentences for violent crimes .....
Actually, I don't. I'm against the death penalty in most cases, but not all - and stronger prison sentences would be a good thing.
but they oppose the private ownership of guns by HONEST citizens .....
Not at all. However, I do oppose the abuse of firearms by the deranged.
SIGH!!!!!!!!"
Melodramatic, much?
Yeah, gee, somebody else trying to utilize tragedy for their personal agenda. So far I have heard it used against guns, for guns(the "Archie Bunker theory", arm all the students and no one will pull a gun), for the Ten Commandments(apparently he would have been too busy reading them to shoot anybody, or he would have been instantly saved and thrown down his guns), for return to religion(it's God's jugement on an evil America), for more money against terrorism (???), and proof of the "coming of the end of times"(like every other damn thing). Bad enough that these people died but now they have to be everybody's "poster children" for their political issue.
Bearing in mind that this guy was from a country where these events are unheard of and has a strict control on weapons, and that in the rest of the world they´re too, I think they´re not as insane as you may think.
Is there anyone of prominence in the international community who thinks the US should have more guns? Because apparently most of the op-eds abroad blamed VT directly on our gun culture.
Mind you, I live in Massachusetts. Maybe it's more normal up in New Hampshire or Maine, but around here, if you make a big deal out of owning a gun, people are likely to think you very strange at best.
I support responsible gun ownership (and I'm a Brit), legalisation of all drugs (think of the potential tax revenue) and punishment of children (spanking 'em mind you, not beating 'em senseless).
I support stronger prison sentences, but not the death penalty. I abhor God and theists. And fully support gay marriage.
Therefore, you are mostly wrong.
Well apparently, it's too easy to own a gun, because a lunatic got a hold of two and went on a killing spree without a problem. So yeah, more gun control would be a good thing.
I support the right to bear arms, separation of church and state, and gay marriage. I'm pretty much neutral on capital punishment.
I am, however, against religious nutters like you telling me and my kind how to live our lives.
Skeptical, bear in mind that for statistical purposed the UK crime figures have recently changed to include crimes commited with imitation weapons and BB guns as firearms offences. The number of people being killed by 'real' guns is up about 3% (almost entirely in inner city drug wars) and on a bottom line of around 70 people being shot dead each year in the UK that amounts to around two extra deaths.
London is the second safest capital city in the world (after Tokyo).
"anti-nonsense, in Sweden it is mandatory for every adult to own a gun, and their crime levels have also been historically low. I bet you don't think we should mandate gun ownership here though ;)"
It is mandatory? Personally I've never known anyone who own any fireweaponry, nor thinking of getting any. And I live here in Sweden. =S
I'm in favour of legalizing illegal drugs, ask anyone who actually works with drug addicts and they will tell you the same thing: it would be much better for the addicts. And I'm in favour of gun control as the only real use for most guns is killing people, so whats the point in having them, unless you are a murderer?
And I'm in favour of gun control as the only real use for most guns is killing people, so whats the point in having them, unless you are a murderer?
Some people like to feed their families and can't afford to buy meat from the grocery store, so they shoot a deer. I've got a friend with 5 siblings whose family lived off of deer meat for a winter because they couldn't afford to buy steak or chicken. Are they murderers for hunting?
Both my husband and my dad have used guns to face an intruder. My husband actually discharged his weapon (into the floor) and the guy ran. My dad simply had to run the rack on his shotgun to make the intruder leave the house. Intruders don't like confronting a homeowner with a firearm, so it's pretty effective home defense. Are my husband and father murderers for protecting themselves and the other people in the house?
Er...yes, that does pretty much describe my liberal, hippie, tree-snogging beliefs. Less guns, legalize drugs, fewer fundies, marry gays, don't beat your kids. I am, of course, absolutely devastated by the punishing counter-argument to these beliefs that is "SIGH!!!!!!!!"
Skeptical was probably thinking of Switzerland, rather that Sweden. Gun ownership there is not mandatory, but membership in the militia is for certain members of the populace, and what's a militia without weapons? So there are a lot of gun owners in Switzerland.
I oppose parents beating their kids and teaching them it's okay to use violence.
Also, no on all other counts.
I believe in gun control -- a psychological exam should be a prerequisite to owning a firearm.
I believe in legalizing and regulating prostitution and marijuana.
I believe in the seperation between Church and State.
I believe that a committed, loving, mutual sexual relationship ought to be treated with respect, no matter what genders or sexes are involved.
I believe in the justified use of capital punishment.
I believe in raising one's offspring without physical or emotional violence, because severe abuse is in the background of nearly every serial killer ever. And the last thing we need is more serial killers, especially since there's at least one, possibly two active on my home, Long Island, right now.
I didn't know gun-ownerships was mandatory in Sweden. That's strange, since I've lived in Sweden all my life I ought to know something like that.
Only registered hunters and policemen are allowed to have guns, and the guns should be locked away in saftey boxes.
Oh, s/he was talking about Switzerland! That... makes no sense, it would be like mixing up Canada and Colombia or Cambodia.
Who the heck SCREAMS "sigh"?
Um..."self thinker"...you might want to note that most of the center-right (a.k.a. "liberals") are theists .
Also -- if you (and a few of the FSTDTers) are all up on gun ownership, might you want to spend a few minutes pushing for change in the current situation? Y'know, the situation where anyone who isn't white can be summarily executed by the (mostly conservative) police if they're suspected of carrying anything that might be construed as or mistaken for a weapon, without legal consequences? With things the way they are, any talk about legal firearm ownership is mostly a matter of white privilege speaking.
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Videogames, homosexuals, just things to blame.
There were schools getting shot up [i]before[/i] there was any kind of 'moral decay'.
Murders occurred in Victorian Britain. So I guess it was all those 'Penny Dreadfuls' that were responsible for influencing people, eh; even before the invention of radio , never mind TV?! [/hyper-sarcasm]
Along with the seizure of Katanas, post-War in the Pacific, there was also a ban on guns in Japan. Their anti-gun laws are even more draconian than the UK's (even pre-Dunblane). Care to explain why there are no school shootings in that mainly Shinto/Zen Buddhist country, o self (non)thinker?
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