Then we also must consider Creation a Law. Think about it before you answer because evolution fails on one MAJOR item...WHERE matter/energy came from? Since the LAW of Thermodynamics states emphatically that energy (and therefore matter) can neither be created nor can it be destroyed by NATURAL means, evolution fails.
Take that thought to its logical conclusion.
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Take that thought to its logical conclusion.
You're an idiot.
"Since I don't understand space-time tectonics, or Factor X in the existence of matter-energy, I must conclude Loki-like being of even more complexity as a causal agent while deluding myself that this is not an infinite regression trap. Once I've done that, there is no limit to what this being can pull out of his ass in total violation of any Law of Thermodynamics. I then convince myself that this kluge is the simplest solution."
"Then we also must consider Creation a Law. Think about it before you answer because evolution fails on one MAJOR item..."
Even if evolution were wrong, this would in no way prove God.
"WHERE matter/energy came from?"
Nothing to do with evolution.
"Since the LAW of Thermodynamics states emphatically that energy (and therefore matter) can neither be created nor can it be destroyed by NATURAL means, evolution fails."
There's more than one law of Thermodynamics, but in any case, physical laws apply to our universe, but not necessarily to what came before. Also, why do you accept the first law of thermodynamics, but not evolution? And again, evolution has nothing to do with the question of where matter and energy came from.
(1) Actually you're talking about Cosmology and not Evolution
(2) Remember that the 1st Law of Thermodynamics applies only to a closed system. The universe wasn't a closed system prior to its creation and we're not even certain it's a closed system now.
(3) Even if you could prove the Big Bang and Evolution wrong through falsification, it wouldn't demonstrate the existence of a god, just that we have more work to do in science.
Take that thought to its logical conclusion.
You're a totally brainwashed christian fuckwit who doesn't understand the difference between evolution and cosmology*.
* The only logical conclusion I could reach given the content of your thoughts.
Just because we don't have 100% of the answers as to the origin of the universe does not mean that "Goddidit" is the only right answer. Nor does the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics state that energy or matter cannot be created or destroyed by natural means, but can be created or destroyed by supernatural means.
I just love how people who know zilch about science always like to trot out the laws of thermodynamics like they know what they mean.
In the beginning, there was a singularity that contained all the mass and energy of our universe. It's impossible to really say where that singularity came from because space and time as we know it did not exist. One hypothesis is that said singularity was what was left of a previous universe, or several, that had gone through a "big crunch" but it doesn't really matter where said singularity came from. Our lack of knowledge of what happened before the big bang in no way establishes the existence of a deity. Gos of the gaps arguments are no more valid than talking snakes and bushes handing down moral lessons.
Since the LAWS of thermodynamics are a THEORY your so-called proof that evolution fails, fails.
Follow that to its logical conclusion and you reach . . .
The OP doesn't understand biology or cosmology or basic thermodynamics.
Take that thought to its logical conclusion.
The energy needed to form complex organic molecules is supplied by an even greater release of energy from huge sources like the Sun and the Earth's interior? Nice try, but that's not a disproof of evolution.
WHERE matter/energy came from?
When will fundies realize that "Goddidit" just isn't a satisfying answer? Cosmologists are actually trying to answer that instead of making shit up.
If creation was functional, it would be a theory, not a law. Laws are about math, theories are about explaining stuff. Evolution isnt dark energy, though, but dark energy is an interesting topic being explored.
"Think about it before you answer because evolution fails on one MAJOR item...WHERE matter/energy came from?"
You know what? He's totally correct. Evolution does fail to adequately explain energy and matter. I mean it's a total, miserable failure at this. It also fails to give us a working understanding of how music works, or provide a logical means by which to count. Also, someone has to say it: You know what else was a miserable failure? Nazi goddamn Germany, that's what.
This is why it's probably a good thing no one bothers to use it to explain any of this other stuff. Now, if someone wanted to explain how living creatures change over time, well, that's the one--and need I remind everyone?--and the only thing it's good at. It's almost like evolution is autistic or something.
Creationism on the other hand is great at multiple things, such as giving a religious explanation for the universe, etc.
There are many laws in science. Creation is not one of them.
My thought is that you don't know science as well as you think you do.
Timberwolf is a nitwit who rejects the thought that the universe can be eternal but blindly accepts that his Gawd is eternal. Breaking news, Wolf-Boy: there's evidence of the universe. Of Gawd, not so much.
For the umpteenth time evolution and cosmology are two completely different things.
Evolution doesn't even explain how life began nor is it supposed to. It simply explains how life has changed over time.
If you're going to argue at least know what you're arguing about first.
Also stop talking about the "LAW" of thermodynamics as if there is only one, like you even know what they are. Copying inaccurate, completely debunked factoids from fundie sources and pretending like you know what the fuck you're talking about is not a good way to win an argument.
Once you figure out what the laws of thermodynamics are I'm interested in reading your thesis explaining how you know the laws of thermodynamics applied to whatever existed before the universe existed in its current state. I suppose unlike you I'm not afraid to say, "I don't fucking know," but I presume you'd be forced to say that if I asked where god came from or what existed before him. If you your answer is "god always existed" then I wonder why you can't apply that to matter and energy always existing, even if it was not in its modern day form.
1) The singularity contained everything, all matter or energy, science is the standard we use that demands something cannot appear from nothing, that would be stupid or religious.
That's using logic, logic being the most likely or by extention most proven conclusion.
It cannot be created, so therefore god created it.
Hmmmmmmmmm........... You wonder why we laugh at your "logic"
You are aware that scientific laws are just short statements, right, while theories are extensive explanations and evidence? Laws are lower on the “hierarchy of science” than theories, I think.
Evolution doesn't care where matter/energy came from, as it's a theory about diversification and adaptation of already existing life.
Which law of Thermodynamics? Aren't there at least four or five? Besides, we have an outside source of energy, called “The Sun”. Ever hear about that, wolfie?
Creation isn't science at all, it's merely an unsubstantiated myth. If we're to take Biblical Creation into account, we have to also take all other religions' creations into account, as they all have the exact same amount of evidence in its favor; none whatsoever.
“Then we also must consider Creation a Law.”
"Think about it before you answer because evolution fails on one MAJOR item...WHERE matter/energy came from?”
"Since the LAW of Thermodynamics states emphatically that energy (and therefore matter) can neither be created nor can it be destroyed by NATURAL means”
"evolution fails.”
“Take that thought to its logical conclusion”
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