matt wade #fundie

matt wade #fundie baptistboard.com

I don't need "sound reasoning". I have faith. I have faith that God did it as he said he would do it. I don't need science to back up God's Word. Evidently, you do.

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"I don't need 'sound reasoning'."

Then you're in luck.

"I have faith."

Faith, n:

Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge of things without parallel.

The Devil's Dictionary,
By Ambrose Bierce

One of my all-time favorite definitions/quotes that is.

"I have faith that God did it as he said he would do it."

Yes, yes. But why do you have this faith is the question. Holding beliefs without validating them is rather pointless.

"I don't need science to back up God's Word."

Then, once again, you're in luck.

"Evidently, you do."

Yes. I do.

I'm sure you think this is some sort of dig at whoever you were rambling on to--and, by extension, people such as myself who share this quality--but it's not. I pride myself on not believing whatever someone tells me just because they say it's the truth.

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"I don't need "sound reasoning". I have faith. I have faith that God did it as he said he would do it."

That computer you have; indeed are using to post your drivel, matt. What, you think the angels brought it down from Heaven, with all the components therein saying 'Made by God' on them? Is the OS installed on it pure 'belief', and you switch it on by praying, using the power of 'faith' to keep it running?

Well, I've got news for you. In all the years I've worked on computers - especially at the computer shop I work in - I've yet to see just one computer component (mobo, CPU, HDs, RAM, graphics/sound cards, PSU, case etc) which says 'Made by God' on them. When, for some strange & unfathomable reason, they had the words 'Made in Japan/China/Taiwan/South Korea/Singapore/Indonesia/Philippines/Thailand/Vietnam' on them. All Christian countries, I'm sure you'll agree. [/sarcasm]

Indeed, the very development of what'd become the thing you're using today. All down to this man:

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Alan Turing. He even came up with the concept of the computer operating system:

Windows: Bill Gates
OSX Lion: Steve Jobs
Linux: Linus Torvalds

Like him, they are Atheists. Computer Scientists. Without their 'sound reasoning', you wouldn't have that computer today to claim you 'don't need sound reasoning'.

Like I say: Do you need to pray to switch on that computer? Even flipping a switch to illuminate your room(s) is based on - and uses - Science.

"I don't need science to back up God's Word. Evidently, you do."

Of course I do. I'm a cyclist. The very existence of not just my bicycle, nay, all wheeled transport, relies on one piece of mathematics: Pi.

3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510...

However, according to your infallible, inerrant 'God's Word', Pi = exactly 3.

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The ancient Greeks were able to figure out which was the right one accurately. That's ancient Greeks, as in BCE. Alan Turing would know this, himself being an expert mathematician. Especially as he used a bicycle to travel to & from his workplace in WWII: Bletchley Park. Using said expertise in mathematical science to decrypt the Wehrmacht's Enigma transmissions, which would aid in the ultimate shortening of the war in Europe, and ensure freedom from the Nazis.

As shown above, Alan Turing's having the last laugh. And he's dead.

old comment by Jamaican Castle

(In a future primitive Earth, Brother Alwyn advises the doubting Brother Michael.)
Brother Alwyn: "Faith sustains us in the hour when reason tells us that we cannot continue, that the whole of our lives is without meaning."
Brother Michael: "Then why were we born able to reason, if reason's useless?"
Brother Alwyn: "Not useless. But it's also not enough. Faith and reason are the shoes on your feet! You can travel further with both than you can with just one."

-- Babylon 5, s4 e22, "The Deconstruction Of Falling Stars"

If we all accepted "faith" as a substitute for "reasoning", we'd be sitting in caves killing things with pointy sticks because that was clearly God's Will. Fortunately, enough people always ignored Her Will to go futz around with something else - typically new ways to talk to and/or kill other people - and so we advanced.

old comment by Canadiest

No I don't.

I don't need the science either, I'm just more interested in science then religion, more intrested in facts, concrete evidence then legend, myth or fable.

And this is from a media junkie. TV, Movies, Music, Literature and lesser literature (comic books, dime novels, pulp reprints.)

You people think evolution or science is your worse enemy because it reveals your mindset in fantasy (especially Fundies) It's not. I was an Atheist long before an intrest or education in science. From my love of media, fantasy and myth I'd already saw the legends retold, your religion had no chance against Homer, H.G. Wells, Borroughs, Asiminov, Jules Verne, Marvel and DC comics or any crazy shit in Movies.

Evolution is the least of your worries selling the shit you do

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"I don't need "sound reasoning". I have faith."

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We worshippers of Urd, the Norn of the Past, believe that one day she will emerge from our TV/computer monitor screens and solve the world's problems by screwing us senseless.

I can't prove this of course (and to you matt, this sounds as if it has no logical foundation, or sound reasoning to it). But then - as I'm sure you'll understand - who needs proof when you've got faith?

Moral: Question my (or anyone else's) beliefs - or lack of them - and then you wonder why we question the validity of yours. Via sound reasoning.

Three words: Flying Spaghetti Monster.

@Jamaican Castle

You're a man after my own heart, as I love "Babylon 5" as well. Delenn, as one of the Minbari Religious Caste (also as one of the Grey Council; follower of Valen and member of the Anla'Shok - or 'Rangers'), may have respected 'Seekers of the Truth'*, but she could rely on Reason too - especially when defending her people, B5 & what it represented (especially during President Clark's dictatorship & B5's secession from the Earth Alliance), and of course John Sheridan.

Also as one of the Religious Caste, she (as did Lennier -"Lost in Space"'s Bill Mumy) studied for a year the nature of humour; particularly Terran comedy. You can't do that without possessing Reason. There isn't one right-wing Fundamentalist Christian Comedian on the circuit (not counting Sarah Failin, and what she says!).

*- I'm reminded of the episode "A Late Delivery From Avalon", in which a man from Earth is searching for the Holy Grail, believing himself to be King Arthur. Later he envisions Delenn as the Lady of the Lake, whom he gives Excalibur back to (the 'King's Burden').[spoiler]He was actually a gunner on an Earth Alliance warship who fired first upon a Minbari cruiser (with it's gun ports open, as a sign of respect; but this was misinterpreted as a hostile act by said gunner). His act started the Earth-Minbari War, and his later guilt resulted in this form of psychological trauma, surfacing in this way. The fact said gunner was played by British actor Michael York did no harm, neither.[/spoiler]

old comment by BobsOldSocks

"An honest admission that you don't care about logic..."

What has faith got to do with logic? This person believes what they believe regardless of logic or evidence - that's what faith is.

"...while also suggesting that is, in fact, a good thing is textbook fundie, actually."

For the faithful that *is* a good thing. The religious don't believe in their god because of logic, they do so because it's emotionally satisfying and the above quote sums that up exactly.

It also breaks the rules of FSTDT:

2.Quotes must be both Fundie AND Darndest to be worthy of submission. *Simple declarations of faith need not apply*. (my emphasis)

"If this quote were only the second and third sentences given, I would agree with your point. The presence of the first, fourth, and fifth paint a far more fundilicious picture, however."

No. Simple declaration of faith, not fundie.

old comment by WWWWolf

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> Adaptation of species over the years? We have to prove it, you point to a book that can't account for half the shit that's crawling in your garden right now.

A random point to keep in mind: the Bible cannot explain potatoes. When they were brought to the Europe from South America, some Christians felt that the fact that potatoes are not in the Bible was extremely suspicious. (The Devil probably loved plants whose edible parts grow underground. Duh.)

Stopping the worldwide spread of potato farming? Yes. That is what relying on faith rather than sound reasoning would have brought on. Sometimes, you just have to make rational choices. Like "fuck it, these things are pretty nutritious and they certainly taste better than goddamn tree bark."

matt wade #fundie baptistboard.com

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