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Ehm, no I haven't actually. And they're MOVIES, not a really reliable source on, well, anything really. Seriously, what point are they trying to make here?
If fundies could correctly identify fiction, they wouldn't be fundies.
And bookshops would put the damn things in the right section...
Evolutionary...films...
Celluloid evolves? WTF?
What do you mean by "evolutionary films"? Films that show the world as it actually was as opposed to movies about the Ark or the Garden of Eden which are defined as fantasy?
Wouldn't matter if they were "evolutionary films" and the primitive humans were "less intelligent" than the predators (though I don't actually remember seeing a film featuring tool-using, fire-making sabre-toothed cats).
Interspecific survival is not dictated by the relative intelligence of the individuals, or even the intelligence of the group in most cases. Sponges are among the oldest animal species on the planet, but would be hard pressed to hold a candle to the intelligence of even a fundie like Dan Lietha. Flat worms on the other hand...
Go and annoy a tiger, and then see how much good your intelligence does you.
.... wait, what? Evolutionary films? WTF?
Animals preyed on humans not because they were smarter, but because they were bigger, stronger, faster, and had sharp, deadly teeth and claws. Humans however used fire to keep them away and created hunting tools to kill them. In fact even Woolly Mammoths were hunted to extinction by "primitive humans"
Have you ever noticed that in most evolutionary films, the primitive humans are less intelligent than the animals they supposedly outlived?
Normally I'd lecture you on how Hollywood is just as ignorant about ToE as creationists are and that movies are not meant to accurately reflect reality. However, in this case it's a bit of truth in television as we have creationists which somehow manage to survive despite being dumber than the food on their plate.
Have you ever noticed that in the modern world, the (most everything that isn't human) is less intelligent than the humans that are currently alive?
Intended point destroyed.
If you think the movie 10,000 B.C is historically accurate, you need to crack open a history book. If you think that evolution is exactly how they portray it in film, you need to crack open a science book and if you think both cases are true (like you seem to Dano), you need to crack open a medical book and see if you meet other symptoms for mental illness.
> ...primitive humans are less intelligent than the animals they supposedly outlived?
I guess you mistake "intelligence" with "the overall ability to f*%*#ng tear you apart" (OATFTYA).
Humans: Very intelligent, not very good at killing any prey without weapons = low OATFTYA.
Giving humans weapons, unsurprisingly, will swing the odds against the animals.
Dear fundies: This is not rocket science, people.
Have you ever noticed that in the Bible, God is always portrayed to be stupider than a donut. He is always advocating destruction and killing, inflicting plagues on populations and generally being a nefarious fellow who acts like an enraged simpleton instead of using intelligence and logic when dealing with people. There's more sense in an unwashed knotted handkerchief than there is in God. Surely it's preferable to be worshiping a donut rather than a genocidal maniac. Oh well. Whatever turns you on.
"Have you ever noticed ... supposedly outlived?"
Do you have a point?
Oh, and SUPPOSEDLY outlived? Is he doubting that humans exist today and sabretooths do not?
This guy can't draw and is not funny or witty. Seriously, it looks like he's just another ignorant fundy fuckwit that happened to discover MS Paint.
Also, do you know how fucking wrong 10,000 B.C. was? It was terrible. People in the movie industry are almost dumber than you are, Dan.
Edit: I was thinking about it, and is it really that surprising that they think movies are legitimate sources for information? I mean they already worship one fictional resource as fact, why not branch out to others?
In a lot of dangerous animal films, the humans are idiots or just weak against the animals. That's the point of the genre.
If this refers to a blockbuster that is designed entirely as Evolutionist propaganda, I didn't know those existed.
That's not funny, or satirical, or witty, or true, or logical, or anything really. It's just a terrible terrible cartoon. Don't quit your day job. The world needs humorless burger flippers!
I've noticed that in most movies the characters are all mentally retarded, one or two exceptions per movie, so I don't see why these "evolutionary films" (where can I watch one, btw?) should be any different.
Gotta love Fundie deductive reasoning:
1. The Bible is TRUTH and The Word, and is a book.
2. Non-Christians have books and movies.
3. Non-Christians therefore consider all books and movies to be their equivalent of The Bible.
Do Fundies honestly think we view all our culture and media as "truth" or something to "believe" in?
This is just plain wrong. Usually you can at least chalk up stuff like this as ignorance, but this is just so wrong that it's inexcusable.
The entire reason why we are so survivable is because we are intelligent and social. We outlived the sabre-tooth because we were smart enough to live and hunt in groups and make weapons.
Hell, take away our intelligence and I doubt we humans would have lasted very long against the other local predators.
And what is this "supposedly outlived" nonsense? Are they trying to suggest that the woolly mammoth is just hiding?
I've seen some of those recreations of how human ancestors lived, and they're depicted as slower, weaker, but not less intelligent. However, there were casualties: Check out the hominid bones fond in a cave at Swartkrans which showed leopard canine punctures on the skull.
Oh yeah. Those saber-toothed tigers sure were good at building tools. You should see some of the shelters they made, too, real triumphs of archWHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO YOU MEAN "EVOLUTIONARY FILMS" BEING KILLED BY A PREDATOR MEANS YOU WERE UNFORTUNATE NOT STUPID
GOD YOU PEOPLE ARE IDIOTS
Yes, it's called a film. It's where actors pretend to be people/characters that they're not, follow a scripted story and are filmed with cameras. The protagonists are usually made to look weaker than the antagonists in order to create a sense of tension and excitement. But no matter how clever the editing, photography or the story, it's still just a film!
Comprende?
Those animals didn't build weapons nor did they build villages nor did they learn to use fire or make clothes.
The humans weren't stupid, it's just their bodies were pathetic compared to wild animals. And guess what? They still are! Don' beleive me? Wrestle with a bengal tiger. (PLEASE DO!)
People are still being killed by wild animals today. It has fuckall to do with intelligence, some animals are bigger, stronger, faster, and in many instances more cunning than humans. This is the classic predator v prey scenario, in which brains are not everything.
I know I'm smarter than a crocodile, but I'll stay as far away from the buggers as I can.
I am so sick of this whole damn argument. This is no longer relevant, the whole dman concept. We need to put this evolutionary debate on whole and talk about important issues, like curing diseases or something. But I guess thats expecting too much of the findimentalist, aftrer all convincing a man to turn his life to god is mroe important then his life to go on for one more day.
So let me get this straight, the film in question evolves during it's playing...?
..."the primitive humans are less intelligent than the animals they supposedly outlived?"
You are aware of the Darwin Awards, right? They're prizes given to the many people all over the planet who manage to get themselves killed doing stupid things, thus benefiting humanity's gene pool. Many of these prizes are given to fools who got themselves mauled, eaten, or attacked by a wild animal.
What is this even supposed to mean? If you're killed by a lion you're a moron? I'm *pretty sure* it wouldn't be hard for a large animal to kill a human...
Most unfunny comics, ever... "Evolutionary film" kind of made me chuckle, though.
Actually, yeah. Like the first 'Doctor Who' story ever, which was far from the worst example. It pisses me off whenever I see the characterization of early man as 'stupid.' Rather than lacking in cultural developments and refinements. Stumping around going 'durrrrr...' They knew how to do what they did. They were thorough, efficient (apart from religion), had emotional realities, and could be rather clever on the whole, although subsistence living meant innovation was limited, and people died a hell of a lot.
Sure, they were also more brutal and primitive than their descendants who have the benefit of centuries and centuries of accumulated ideas, but as actual people they were probably not especially inferior.
Even earlier hominids I'd bet on over a highly socialized and moderately trained dog to, say, solve a maze. As long as one's nose wasn't especially useful for the purpose.
@Fieendish: That sounds AWESOME. I want to see it. Except the brain-piping.
I've also noticed in movies that guns never run out of ammo and explosions in space are full of fire and noise.
Wow, every movie ever made is always 100% accurate to reality!
"Because that which may be known of GOD is manifest in them; for GOD hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse." Romans 1:19-20. www.icr.org
“Have you ever noticed that in most biblical stories, the humans created in God’s image are less intelligent than the animal that were not created in God’s image?” (e.g. Elijah’s bears and the 42 kids, Eve and the snake, Jonah and the fish, etc.)
and
“Have you ever noticed that almost all “jokes” told by creationists or other fundies are not funny?”
So let me get this straight, the film in question evolves during it's playing...?
I would watch the shit out of a movie like that!
Have you ever noticed how saber toothed tigers are huge killing machines and humans are frail by comparision?
To this day good Christian folk get shredded by bears, sharks, big cats, dogs and various "lesser" creatures.
Our intelligence only gained us the advantage, then and now, with weaponry, stragedy and teamwork.
The comic emphasizes why it was important that humanity evolved an instinct for living and working together. Along with that instinct came the need to acknowledge and accept certain principles of behavior which came to be known as "ethics." Without ethics, even a primitive set of ethics, the group could not continue. Those humans who couldn't adapt to living in groups with rules were forced out and became prey for predators without the opportunity to pass on their genes. And, notice, all of this happened without a deity to command it.
Nice try Dan, but your side still can't help losing.
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