((In response to someone asking him if he would murder his children if God asked him to))
I guess I'll answer that when it happens. If the premise of the question assumes a righteous, sinless God, then I would hope my actions are the same as Abraham's were when God requested that of him.
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This is the 21st Century, Brainless. We have laws now that protect children. I'd have him arrested.
Why would you obey a god who would test you in this manner? Wouldn't you try and kick his balls off?
I remember being told the story of Abraham as a small child. Although my parents weren't (and still aren't) religious my great-aunt had given me a 'Childrens' Bible'. It had a picture of Abraham, dagger drawn, approaching his son who was laying on a heap of brushwood. The idea that my father might hear a voice tell him to cut my throat and that it would be an admirable thing for him to do so confused and terrified me.
Forty-odd years later I still see nothing commendable in the story at all. Obeying voices in your head that tell you to kill your children is a good thing? Sheesh.
Some other Christians seem to think God is righteous and sinless simply because according to them God gets to decide what is right and what is a sin... They often reason that a creator gets to do whatever she/he/it wants with what she/he/it created.
By the way, if there really was a creator, who would have created us all, and that creator was in hers/his/its senses, she/he/it would not blame hers/his/its creation for not working as she/he/it had planned. Would you build something and then, if it's not working as you wish, accuse it for not working right? You might accuse the building materials, the circumstances, people who had nothing to do with it or even perhaps yourself, but accusing your own creation is just weird.
So, if you don't want to kill your kid as commanded, wouldn't that be the creator's problem?
I favor the interpretation that says the Abraham-Isaac story symbolized how human sacrifice was replaced by animal sacrifice.
These nuts that think being willing to kill your own child if you think God wants it is a good thing scare me.
"I guess I'll answer that when it happens."
"WHEN" -- not If.
If you've yet to breed, get a vasectomy.
If he has bred, call Child Services.
@SolomonGrundy: Was it, perchance, called the "Story Bible for Young Children" by Anne DeVries? One of my aunts gave it to me one Christmas when I was about eight. I'm asking because I seem to remember a similar picture in my copy.
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Would I do that. If Jesus appeared in my room with all that light & divine glory & shit & told me to kill...say, my nephew....
I'd kick him in the nuts!
One of us clearly needs to re-examine our priorities.
So, Brainfreeze would murder his own children, and it would be "okay" just as long as GAWD told him to.
But a woman who has an abortion because it's the most responsible decision is an unrepentant murderer who is going to burn in hell because GAWD hates her.
Brainfreeze is a slagging tool. Someone needs to call Child Services on him before he "hears" God telling him to kill his children because, yes, he HAS bred...
LULZ. Jesus Christ, and this is from the Allspark forums, too. Hide the fucking kids.
I hope someone's alerted the authorities, or anyone appropriate, about this person. People like this particular poster tend to be dead serious about what they say.
Concerned Anonymous: Yes. Yes, it is. "Allspark" is a forum for Transformers fans, from what I gather.
I always thought God was trolling Abraham. "Holy crap, I was just joking... I can't believe he was actually going to DO it!"
Yeah, the infamous story of Abraham and Isaak.
Was Isaak asked whether he was willing to be sacrificed? Of course not. He had to obey, unquestioningly. Children in the bronze-age were the property of their parents. Parents were allowed to do literally everything with their children. Sell them into slavery, everything.
And this is another example why the bible is completely unsuitable as guidance for the 21st century. Today, Abraham would have been arrested immediately, and would have lost his right to child custody.
But wait. Why would a righteous, just god order you to kill your own child in the first place? As an omnipotent being, this god would know how you'd feel about your child and would therefore know that it would be considered cruel to ask for such a thing (unless God was a sociopath and didn't care - which would explain a lot, actually).
The idea that the Abraham/Isaac story represented a cultural shift away from human sacrifice toward other forms of sacrifice seems plausible to me. In that same vein, the story of Cain and Abel may be indicative of a cultural struggle early on between the semi-nomadic pastoral lifestyle and the settled agricultural lifestyle.
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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