For the same reason there are no 'atheist' in fox holes (at least while being shot at.) when one is face with the very real threat of death, even if you have doubts, one tends to believe enough to ask for his or her own life whether they will admit it or not.
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They do not look like they're underfire to me. Or do you not know what a fox hole is? Those guys look like they work 'in the rear with the gear' where people can still afford to deny God. (Note the big High wall behind them and the gate.) Again a base is not a fox hole.
(I'm pretty fucking sure people who go into foxholes don't just stay there unless they get shot down. Who the fuck are you to judge people as the "foxhole type"?)
Again because they are not standing in 'Fox holes' being shot at.
Just because you are 'over there' does not automaticaly place you on the front lines (Where the fox holes are.)
Just so we are clear a 'fox hole' is a pit dug usually hastily for individual cover from enemy fire. Meaning there are not high was or protect areas/armor to hide behind.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/foxhole
Again those d-bags are not in foxholes.
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Again a base is not a fox hole.
OK, show me the leisurely group photos taken under fire; this is where literalism gets you.
Oh, and nice of you to call people who are willing to sacrifice everything to defend you "d-bags." That's worth remembering next time you tell us how patriotic you are.
Absolutely true, you brain dead chimp. The picture is a famous sign of solidarity with a military atheist organization from troopies in a real, honest to Jeebus fire zone (hardly anyone uses foxholes anymore) in the sandbox. You want to tell them you aren't buying their BS, why not locate some of them and confront them, big nuts?
Oh, and check out Pat Tillman's real last words to a coward screaming for god to save them. It is so effing inspirational, I'm thinking of getting it tattooed on me.
"For the same reason there are no 'atheist' in fox holes"
I've always felt that everyone becomes an atheist in a fox hole.
And of course we should trust that you know people's thoughts at all times and can therefore state the above with complete certainty.
You really can't admit when you've lost an argument, can you? Even for a platitude as banal as "no atheists in foxholes", you keep grasping for straws in a desperate attempt to win an argument you've already lost a long time ago.
Yes. They need to be standing in a fox hole 24/7 with bullets whizzing past them constantly. Otherwise how can they say they are atheists in fox holes, huh?? Where is the fox hole!!?? Clearly they have not been in any sort of duress at all, otherwise they would have dropped to their knees and surrendered to GAWD LORD JESUS posthaste!
And, really, "those d-bags?" What happened to supporting the troops?
even if you have doubts, one tends to believe enough to ask for his or her own life whether they will admit it or not.
The last thing a soldier should be doing while under fire is stopping to pray. If he wants to stay alive, he'll be finding cover and returning fire. Additionally, he'll be checking to ensure his comrades are okay. If he's stopping to pray, it increases the chances of him getting shot.
Support the troops. But only if they're Christians. If they're not Christians, then they're d-bags.
As I pointed out in that thread, I guess military chaplains are all d-bags too, since they're always support personnel who don't trade fire with the enemy. Those wimps don't even carry weapons.
For the same reason there are no 'atheist' in fox holes ... when one is face with the very real threat of death, ... one tends to believe
And for that same reason, nobody hates 'science' or thinks it's 'against God' when they're in critical condition in the intensive care unit at the hospital:
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I bet you'll never hear a mother say: "doctor, please stop the emergency measures you're using to save my child's life and come pray with me for an hour; you can try to stabilize him later, but God will already have taken care of it".
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What quaint nostalgic ideas you have about modern warfare. Very seldom is there anything like a "front line" any more, due to the fact that there are these things called RPGs and other types of rounds and missiles that can drop on your head no matter where you are. If you're in Afghanistan, you're basically in a "foxhole" night and day.
Okay, I'm sure some of you have noticed this by now. But christians complaining about "no-atheist/gays/liberals/women/whoever they disagree with in foxholes" then complaining when they find out that there are atheists/gays/liberals/women in foxholes really tick me the fuck off.
People in the military have chosen to serve their country and defend its people. You better be FUCKING thankful for that you asshole. These brave men are protecting your freedom over seas, you have no right to criticize them for taking this picture. You don't deserve the protection our armed forces give you. Kindly pack up and leave, maybe a theocracy would suit you better, like Iran or North Korea.
Fuck you Drich. If you can't handle religious freedom then move somewhere where there isn't any.
My nephew - a Corporal in the East Yorkshire Regiment - has been under fire by the Taliban in Afghanistan (two tours, thus he's a veteran).
He's an Atheist.
So, dbitch... why aren't you in that queue at the US Military recruitment office, eager to join up and show those 'd-bags' how it's done , eh?! The US Marines are your best bet, in ensuring you get right into the thick of the heaviest fighting against the Taliban, and all those lovely RPGs & IEDs to test your mettle against & prove your obvious 'superiority' to those 'Atheists in Foxholes'; who don't have your 'Faith', that your 'God' will protect you, and ensure you will prevail. Go ahead. The only one stopping you - is you .
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Chickenshit internet keyboard warrior much, D-bitch ? What, don't have much faith in your 'Faith'...?! [/Fundies not even in the action, but the Atheists are in those 'foxholes' in battle]
>"I bet you'll never hear a mother say: "doctor, please stop the emergency measures you're using to save my child's life and come pray with me for an hour; you can try to stabilize him later, but God will already have taken care of it".
Sad thing is that you will probably find them.
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Sad thing is that you will probably find them.
Yes, but probably only the really whacky ones.
Your average fundie will be screaming and yelling, beating on the docror to hurry up, will sign anything and everything, and will chuck the Bible in the corner in exchange for a piece of life saving "science" he or she was damning the day before.
New phrase: "There's no christian fundamentalist in an emergency room".
So your counter-argument to this this evidence against the validity of a poorly thought out metaphore is that it doesn't apply because of a literal lack of foxholes in the picture.
Thats astoundingly dense. By that logic there are no Christians in foxholes at that military base either because the base is 100% devoid of dug-in-the-ground foxholes.
Even if it were true that there are no atheists in foxholes, why on earth would it be relevant to anything? Scared people lose their rationality. Maybe if I was under fire or otherwise in fear of imminent death, I would pray. I don't think I would, but who knows. But why would I, asa person in extraordinary circumstances, with adrenaline and suchlike going around my body, and with the primal instinct to survive suddenly at the forefront of my thinking, be considered a useful authority on the existence of god? Even if every atheist on the point of death suddenly converted to a religion, wouldn't that just support the idea that belief in god is related to wish-fulfillment and irrationality?
"there're no atheists in foxholes" could be satisfied if the apparent atheists in a foxhole aren't actually atheists, or if the atheists in an apparent foxhole aren't in an actual foxhole.
i like how much drich can tell about soldiers from a single photo. he's like sherlock holmes, except a moron.
For those interested, the organization these guys are expressing solidarity with is the Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers. Fine bunch, and you can see more at: http://militaryatheists.org
And Cpl. Pat Tillman's last words? One of the men in his unit was lying on the ground, sobbing for god to help them. Tillman said to him, `Would you shut your (expletive) mouth? God's not going to help you; you need to do something for yourself, you sniveling ..."
There's a man who does for himself, instead of waiting for god to get around to it.
There are no theists
If you are using a scrape in the ground to protect yourself, you are at the very least actively agnostic about your god's ability to do so.
"They do not look like they're underfire[sic] to me."
You don't know much about a war zone, do you? A deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan was and is much like being in one giant foxhole. These men could at any moment lose their lives to any number of things.
Just so we're clear when the term "there are no Atheists in foxholes" was coined it refered to all combat under seige soldiers. It by no means was meant to remove all barracked, On the waves, tank core or fighter pilots from the sentiment. It was however designed entirely to demean Atheists as you Christians are even more likely to do these days.
It was also debunked by many, Patton and Churchill for two examples. Yet this many years later, proved wrong so many times, you shits still trot that out like it ever was true, hence these soldiers forced to respond to Christian propaganda to this day.
So rethink your shit with that in mind.
And, are you actually suggesting Atheists get light duty behind the lines, that they get preferential treatment? Please dummy, what you know about military placement, modern warfare or desert manuveurs should embaress you.
Even the clowns that agree with him wouldn't argue that the foxhole is all that's implied. it has long been a metaphor for under fire. Even in those earlier wars trench and sandbag defenses other soldiers were behind walls of buildings or just over a hillside or mound, behind a tank or jeep, whatever.
Asshole. As long as there's been photography there's been pics of soldiers when they feel a little more safe a little further from activity. You will notice this barrier behind them if you had a clue.
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