[transsexualism is just a craze?]
Okay, GMAFB.
If there is any medical justification in brain chemistry for transsexualism, then the appropriate response is to medically treat the imbalance in the brain, not to hack their God-given body up and sew it back together backwards like Dr. Frankenstein--- or should I say Frank. N. Furter?
And I wouldn't trust that "research" as far as I could throw it. The field of neuroscience is one of few established beach-heads and vast, unexplored jungles of frightening ignorance. And medical practitioners--- yes, the "mainstream, established" ones--- have a long and lush history of propagating whatever neuromedical model is the most convenient and profitable (do a little research into the history of lobotomies and the treatment of 'female hysteria' for further enlightenment.)
Telling someone that they're suffering from dysmorphia, not from being in the wrong body, isn't as popular or profitable as telling patients what they want to hear and putting them through thousands of dollars in surgery and a lifetime of hormone injections.
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Um, I'm pretty sure that if transsexuals could just be "cured", almost all of them would gladly go along with it.
Unfortunately there is no such "cure", and there isn't likely to ever be one. So the only thing that can be done is to allow them to transition.
I don't really see how that's a huge problem. Transsexuals have existed as long as humans have...
This is a copied response that I wrote ages ago to a similar assertion; I'm repeating it because I think it covers the issue adequately.
What we have here is contradictory definitions. The people posting here have chosen to define someone's gender based on the shape of their body. Their opponents have decided to base their definition on the structure of the mind. I guess it all comes down to whether you think one's body or one's mind defines what one is. In order to be consistent with equal rights, I'd suggest favouring the mental definition over the physical - after all, if we judge a man by his skin colour instead of his actions (which represent mental state), we're being racist, aren't we?
I can confirm that if they'd have been able to make me happy as a guy, i'd have been all for it. But there's good amounts of evidence that it's not that easy. And birth-sex hormone treatments have, IIRC, generally had less than great results in "fixing" it.
And I'm far, far happier as a woman than i ever was as a man.
"And I wouldn't trust that "research" as far as I could throw it."
Of course. A two thousand year old myth is far more trustworthy.
"The field of neuroscience is one of few established beach-heads and vast, unexplored jungles of frightening ignorance."
If you want to see frightening ignorance, take a stroll through rapture ready.
If you don't want to do that, the only other option is to do radical surgery on their brain, with drugs. I find it much easier, and survivable, to take his penis and give him a vagina.
I submitted this quote, I swear Ralphie is not a poe - he's been writing stuff like that for years - and poes generally don't use their real names btw.
It's awesome how all the clichés meld together with this guy, just look at this post: it's homophobia, anti-scientific religious fundamentalism and conspiracy theory blending together flawlessly.
Most fundies lack the creativity to get beyond "Because God said so!", but this guy truly is the Leonardo of Dumb. Just look at how he manages to completely ignore the fact that the brain is _also_ a part of that "God-given body" or that the gruesome history of lobotomy is exactly why we don't pickle functioning human brains in drug cocktails as he suggests, it's sheer anti-genius.
I know I sound like an ass but I'm so thrilled that I've found him, it feels like owning the champion at a cockroach race. Just wait for the wails of persecution when he finds out that his rants found their way on FSTDT. XD
moonkitty: It's a newer chatspeak acronym for Give Me A Fucking Break.
And this RHJunior is either talking out of his ass, or is Poe-ing it up. Unfortunately, I think he's serious.
Maybe you should do some research here, rather than spewing shit that sounds scientific but isn't. We're not talking about a chemical imbalance that could be easily corrected. Several studies have shown that it's the way the brain is configured, likely before birth ever even occurs.
If you read a few of this guys post over there you quickly come to the conclusion that he is just another right-wing clown corps regurgitator, vomitting out some piece of right-wing radio spinspeak that he thought was a pithy comment. He has no brain(like most neo-con sheep), just a recording device for Rush Dimbulb, Ann Cuntler, or Mike SSavage,'s brainless thoughtspeak maunderings. Not a troll, not bright enough.
There are instances when medical science does bizarre and illogical stuff just to go with the accepted trends of society. For instance, how non-therapeutic infant circumcision is relatively common in the United States while the rest of North America, South America, Europe, and Asia generally don't see a need for it. However, this isn't one of those cases at all.
Transgenderization isn't a problem, guy. If you cannot, through therapy, help them accept their body, then change their body to the best of medical science's ability to match their mind. Simple enough.
There's no magic pill to make people with gender identity problems accept what they see as totally wrong about their own body. It's like you waking up with a penis sticking out of your head - it would be uncomfortable (since it just doesn't feel right to have a penis there), and you wouldn't like it one bit.
Whatever, don't you see you're calling the Kettle pot and the pot kettle?. If they're going to "treat" the imbalance, why not an operation?, after all, in either case, the doctor must be there and the latter is less painful.
Being transsexual myself, I can say for certain that RHJunior is a braindead fundie who clearly can't think enough for himself to do some damn research. What is it with these people and not bothering to consider other people's point of view? I am at least willing to consider theirs, even though I pretty much always come to the same conclusion that they're ignorant, arrogant, and right wing authoritarians who never question what they've been told, no matter how inane.
RHJunior is not a Poe, unless he has made a career of it - he's been posting idiotic fundy stuff for years - the first thing I read of him (over three years ago) was the usual YEC stuff about Palauxy tracks, Earth spinning so fast it would pancake and so on. In fact, investigating his wild claims is how I discovered Talk Origin in the first place.
I've debated him three times, left him with no answer to my rebuttals but the fundy capitulation "I have the Bible on my side, so I win", followed by being banned (first time for a week, next by stopping all annonymous postings, and finally myLJ user permanently). He's the prototypical fundie I meassure all the others against, since he is intelligent and willingly ignorant, which makes it far worse than the poor bastards that have just never been properly educated.
Hope that helps,
Grey Wolf
One of the old treatments for female hysteria was to drive females to orgasm.
As a female, I am definitely NOT opposed to this treatment, and would be completely willing to fake hysteria just for it. >_>
One of the old treatments for female hysteria was to drive females to orgasm.
As a female, I am definitely NOT opposed to this treatment, and would be completely willing to fake hysteria just for it. >_>
#331003 wrote:
"Why is the xian plan for "fixing" people always either "kill them" or "brainwash them into someone we like"?
"If you will not be turned, then you will be deSTROYED!"
-- Emperor Palpatine, to Luke Skywalker (near the end of Return of the Jedi )
One of the old treatments for female hysteria was to drive females to orgasm.
As a female, I am definitely NOT opposed to this treatment, and would be completely willing to fake hysteria just for it. >_>
Well, if you'd like to come by my office, I'm sure I'd be glad to give you all the treatment you need.
Heh heh, female hysteria. I remember that.
Funny thing is that there's actually some level of truth in that "disorder". While it isn't technically a medical problem, several things affect your overall mood, and sexual activity is one of them.
For the majority, though, you're right. A lot of shit was blamed on female hysteria.
But are we unaware that the lightbulb was just being modified by Thomas Eddison during this time period? Yeah, science was REAL advanced back then.
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Notice how I only responded to an offhand comment?
I can vouch for RH NOT being a Poe, unfortunately. He's made a career of all the fundie stereotypes. Read his webcomics and you will understand. He even has an ED article dedicated to him XD
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/RHJunior
Here you all are.
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