What are people according to atheists who believe in evolution? ”A hairless ape” – Schoenberg; ”A mere insect, an ant—” – Church; ”An accidental twig” – Gould; ”A rope stretched over an abyss” – Nietzsche; ”A fungus on the surface of one of the minor planets” – Du Maurier; ”A jest, a dream, a show, bubble, air—” – Thornbury; and ”I see no reason for attributing to man a significant difference in kind from that which belongs to a grain of sand” – Oliver Wendell Holmes.
Yet it is the people that believe in the Bible that are clueless? Okey Dokey. Your delusions have been noted.
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Newsflash: There is no objective standard. Even what you say is an objective standard, your god, your bible, your sweet crock of shit religion, is only your personal interpretation of what your god, which has never been evidenced to exist, wants you to do. And strangely enough, there are tons of people who have the same religion but still disagree with you.
And just to tie in Euthyphro's dilemma: How is your god's will not a subjective declaration of what is right and wrong, and if it isn't, why do you need a god to tell you what is right and wrong if you could deduce it yourself since it is objectively evident?
The church and Bible are not, nor ever have been the basis of morals in your nation or goverment or any society since the dark ages.
Read your Bible, really read it, you'll fill up a book real fast with commands not followed by any nation, stupid primitive practices and bizarre restrictions abound.
None of you believers even follow these laws, go ahead and try but be careful, some of them will get you arrested.
But a human is still a human to a human. As we are like each other, we can decide to give all of us the same rights, and taadaa: democracy.
In fact, democratic structures have only been made up by philosophers after the feudal system with God on top had been dismissed, so you might belief that your rights come from god, but without secularism you wouldn't have those.
Or life becomes absolutely cherishable, because there is no Ever After after it, so our only chance to have a good life is this one.
As for there being no absolute right or wrong, try to explain Romans why exposing children is bad and they will be completely nonplussed.
There are many standards of right and wrong, but those in the bible are no more objective than others that were created by men. You don't need a God to be moral, nor do you need a Day of Judgement. Eternal justice is used more as a threat of revenge. Justice itself can be hard for people to seperate from revenge. Life is expensive when you know it stops, it becomes cheap when you get a second one.
I somehow got reminded of Tim Minchin: "I am a tiny insignificant ignorant bit of carbon. I have one life and it is short and unimportant, but thanks to recent scientific advances I get to life twice as a long. Twice as long to life this life of mine, twice as long to love this wife of mine, twice as many years of friends and wine."
Lots of quotes taken out of context there by binge thinker, which don't necessarily add up to the conclusion he posits.
"...moral relativism is inevitable. Nothing is sacred. There is no objective standard of right and wrong, no God, no eternal Day of Judgement. No hope of eternal justice. Life becomes cheap."
Wrong, right, right, right, right, right and wrong.
I'm glad we had this chance to talk.
Life becomes precious, stupid, when life here on Earth is not just seen as a screen test to see who fits the requirement for the real stage in Heaven or Hell. The point is that all life is precious, sacred if you want, not just human life.
There IS no objective standard of right and wrong, stupid. Not even the Bible or the Church has anything like that. Thou shalt not kill, unless it's a tribe living on a piece of land your god has selected for you. Thou shalt not lie, unless it's to protect a pedophile priest from disgrace (much more important than to protect the innocent children from pedophiles, right?). Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's things, unless you live in a capitalist country where coveting what you don't have is the grease that keeps the wheels turning. And so on and so forth...
We are the ones who don't know right from wrong? Yes, that's why there are hardly any atheists in America's jails and also why a self-confessed theist like Oscar Pistorius shot his girlfriend three times through a bathroom door.
Frankly, we need your kind of morality like a turkey needs Thanksgiving.
"For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity." - God (Ecc 3:19).
You were saying?
What are people according to this atheist?
Arrogant animals that learned how to lie to themselves to inflate their self-worth.
That doesn't have to be a bad thing.
I'm sorry you need the believe in some higher power to make you feel significant in a vast universe that ultimately makes us pretty insignificant.
I don't know why it's such a bad thing to be in awe of just how small we are and appreciative that we have the intellect to look out on a cosmos that is infinitely greater than the small and petty deity you worship.
I understand that my way is scary and overwhelming and your way is warm and fuzzy. It's why I don't expect everyone to just drop their religion any time soon. Still, I value life not because we're significant in the grand scheme of things but because we're so small and fragile. Because we are so insignificant makes our lives that much more valuable to me.
"Man is but a reed, the most feeble thing in nature..." Pascal, noted Christian philosopher, predating darwinian theory of evolution.
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