Thread: Obama rebukes the words of Jesus
In front of a group of Christians at the Catholic-Evangelical Leadership Summit on Tuesday, Obama rebuked the words of Jesus in Matthew 26:11, saying that we shouldn’t ‘buy this idea’ the poor will always be with us
Just another example of Obama twisting words to fit his mantra, which happens to be Scripture in this case. Of course he'll rebuke Jesus Christ, he's a cursed man! His fleshly mind corrupted by pride and arrogance has blinded him to who he's really up against.
Oh man, God is going to so grill him at the judgment seat!
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Matthew 26:11; "The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me."
So... Barack Obama is saying that we might be able to make poverty go away? And this is a problem! It's Naive, buts it's a nice gesture.
What he's saying is that we should not use the words of Jesus as an excuse to do nothing about the poor, which is what you do. Maybe he takes Jesus more seriously than you, seeing it as a basic duty of society to feed the hungry, look after the widow and orphan and heal the sick.
IF you read that chapter in its entirety, you’ll see it’s about a woman anointing Jesus’ head with expensive oil but his disciples call her out for it because the oil could have been sold and the money used to feed the poor. Jesus then says they shouldn’t be such nitpickers, the poor will always be there but he will be dead in a few days.
Basically the disciples try to follow Jesus’ earlier teachings about selling all your stuff and give it to the poor, but Jesus shows some degree of hypocrisy and tells them “Dudes, chill out. This rule doesn’t apply to good stuff done to me, fuck the poor, I am way more important.”
Similar to the fig tree story, this one doesn’t really show the Son Of God in a positive light
"Just another example of Obama twisting words to fit his mantra, which happens to be Scripture in this case.”
Which happens to be exactly what you’re doing.
Don't you love it when they stop pretending they care about the condition of your immortal soul and finally give up a little honesty?
"I'm better than yooooooooooooouuuuuuuuu! God likes me better! You're going to hell and I'm nooooooooooooooooooooooot! NYAH NANNER NYAH NYAH!! "
Question: At the feeding of the 5,000 Did Jesus ask for payment ...?
Fact: Chrisrianity in the US owes the IRS nearly $17 quadrillion . So you and all your fundie Christain ilk will be ponying up your - via your churches' - rather hefty share of that unimaginably huge amount to the IRS, so that just a fraction of such will ensure that Obama, as per your wish, was wrong : that the poor won't always be with us?
Matthew 19:21. Mark 12:17. Romans 13:1-7.
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I love the smell of barbecued deity in the morning. Smells like... Mmmmm... bacon ! [/Homer Simpson] >:D
Or, you know, the Jesus described by the Bible was a massive fucking asshole who gave us plenty of material to call him out on. Anyone else who stole your animals, rode them into town and then told you that he was a divine being and he was going to kill you if you didn't love & worship him unconditionally would get more than just rebuked . Why does your ancient desert prick get a pass? Because he claimed to be the son of Yahweh? Fine. I'm his son, too. Different mom. It's complicated. Doesn't matter, though. What matters is that if you don't unquestioningly get down on your knees and beg me for your life right this instant I'm going to send you to a horrible, horrible place that can't logically exist and, even if it did, couldn't logically function as claimed. When you're dead, I mean. Obviously I can't just send you there now. Because, er... reasons.
@Kuno
It was Judas that said the oil should have been sold to raise money. And Judas, being evil, only wanted the oil sold because then he could steal the money.
Right yeah because everything Jesus said was bloody incontrovertible wasn't it
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Oh wait
"Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, 'May you never bear fruit again!' Immediately the tree withered. When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. 'How did the fig tree wither so quickly?' they asked. Jesus replied, 'Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea', and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer'."
But by all means please tell Mt. Everest to jump into the Indian Ocean. Jesus wouldn't lie, would he?
If every Christian on the planet can rebuke elements of the Bible that they do not find palatable, and still get into Heaven, then I think God would allow an open door for Obama. Also, you'd have more of a case if the argument you're disagreeing with wasn't an attempt to rally the population to end poverty. If your God wants people to stay poor then it is a dick.
@Dr Razark:
Matthew 26:8 says "disciples" and "they", plural. But you are right, the story then goes on with Judas going to the priests and offering to betray Jesus.
One could even argue that it was Jesus' hypocrisy that lead Judas to betray him. The way it is written, it is at least implied.
@Kuno, CarlM:
Yeah, I went and looked it up. John says it was Judas, Matthew doesn't specify. I mostly remember it from Jesus Christ, Superstar , though.
The "Judas wanted to steal the money" bit strikes me as a later edit to justify the anti-Judas crowd. I do like the implication that Jesus' reaction drove Judas to betray him. I didn't catch that before.
@Anon-e-moose
Yes, that picture and your facts point out something most Americans (and Canadians) never hear. That land taxes make up a large part of that, I have a 60x140 lot with a crap house and stonebased farm shed in a small city. I pay over 1500 a year on property tax.
We have about ten huge lot churchs paying nothing with buildings that could house hundreds if converted to apartments, they already have the parking, so this would be the best use of the area besides private (landlords of rental properties get business deductions too) ownerships.
America and Canada pretend this is nothing, or the church provides sooo many benefits. Bullshit. Being in the service industry and travelling I can show you about a hundred closed and shuttered churchs they're sitting on. Valuable property going unused and untaxed because they are the ONLY people that don't have to pay taxes on property.
And when they finally sell one, they don't have to pay taxes on their profit. SO> the parishioners pay for the church, the clergy and make up for the tax loss (along with us of other denominations or non religious) then, when the church sits on that appreciation over time they pay no tax on the sale.
This is North America. Canada and U.S.A. We are not supposed to be constantly catering and supporting church doctrine by edicts, laws and practices established in our early years. BUT WE ARE!
Fun fact. Jesus was, in Matthew's 26th chapter, quoting Torah. Specifically, 15th chapter of Deuteronomy, the passage that tells us to take care of the poor. Delicious irony: not half a chapter before God promises that were Israel to follow His commandments, they would be so richly blessed there would be no poor amongst them. Conclusion: Obama wants USA to follow God's commandments so that poverty would be eradicated. Or, even better, he thinks it's high time Americans get off their damn asses and actually did something for their own people.
Specifically, 15th chapter of Deuteronomy, the passage that tells us to take care of the poor. Delicious irony: not half a chapter before God promises that were Israel to follow His commandments, they would be so richly blessed there would be no poor amongst them.
Yep, that passage is pretty great. God basically goes from saying "There will be no poor among you because I've given you so much" to "Well, there shouldn't be any poor among you, but if there is you should be generous with them" to "Damn it, you guys are just too selfish and greedy, so there will always be poor among you. Therefore, I command you to be generous with them".
Confused?
So were we! You can find all of this, and more, on Fundies Say the Darndest Things!
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