Ken Ham #fundie

Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

You see, if evolution is true, science has an even bigger problem than Cain’s wife to explain—namely, how could man ever evolve by mutations (mistakes) in the first place, since that process would have made everyone’s children deformed? The mere fact that people can produce offspring that are not largely deformed is a testimony to creation, not evolution.

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Did anyone read the article? It's beautiful, really. First, Ken talks at length about how it is impossible that Cain married someone from another village. Then, he concludes that therefore he married his sister. Afterwards, he writes at an even greater length about how incest was fine back then, because .. what was it... Oh right, Leviticus didn't apply yet, therefore incest wasn't outlawed. And of course, that shows god's great wisdom, because genetical mutations = deformities only started after the fall, and since Cain and his sister were the first ever generation of children, there was to risk of mutation and therefore their children were at no risk.
My brain literally hurts trying to understand that logic.

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Mutations are not inherently bad. I mean, look at blind cave fish. Blindness is a disadvantage for most fish, but in the complete darkness where these lil' guys live having no eyes is an advantage: the don't waste precious energy growing or maintaining them and they don't have to deal with infections or fungi in what, for them, would be a vestigial organ. Lack of eyes is simply a mutation that proved to be beneficial in some circumstances, so the fish without eyes that lived in those circumstances tended to survive better than those with eyes. And since dead animals can't breed, the living ones with no eyes passed that mutation on to their offspring.

old comment by Antichrist

Chuck Yeagers eyesight was rated at 20/10, thats one hell of a deformity he had there.

I want a deformity like that.

Now idjut, lets take a look at Cain....

4:5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Why? Was Cain told that farming was evil? The law didn't exist yet (hence him fucking his sister not a sin) so it wasn't for giving the wrong offering. God was just being his usual moody bastard.

4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
This is what God said to Cain, again, doesn't tell him what he did "not well" just that he's not the favourite. Kinda sucks for your kind when you get to heaven. What if you're not Gods favourite?

4:14 Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me.
Who are these people who are going to find him? There's only two other people on earth. Surely your God could tell mommy and daddy to leave Cain alone.

4:16 And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.
Really sounds like he got his wife from Nod.

4:19 And Lamech took unto him two wives: the name of the one was Adah, and the name of the other Zillah.
Just how many of these mystery girls was poor Eve popping out? She wasn't a Labrador Retriever you know.

4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
From living as animals to the iron age in two generations, now that's impressive.

And then Cain's over, never to be heard of again.

old comment by Horsefeathers

"You see, if evolution is true, science has an even bigger problem than Cain’s wife to explain"

Yes, shift the argument away from what you can't explain about your little fable and onto some perceived difficulty with your opponent's argument.

That'll work. If nobody's paying attention. Which we are. So where did Cain's wife come from anyway, Ken?

"namely, how could man ever evolve by mutations (mistakes) in the first place, since that process would have made everyone’s children deformed?"

Mutations =/= "mistakes"
Mutations =/= deformity

Mutations are, by and large, completely neutral to the organism--humans included. A very small portion seriously screw something up and cause problems, either the egg will no longer be viable or the organism will have problems later on, but this is by no means the normal course of events for mutations. Another very small number of mutations are actually beneficial in some way.

You, Ken, just like everyone else, are walking around with somewhere in the range of 150 mutations. Are you "deformed" from them?

"The mere fact that people can produce offspring that are not largely deformed is a testimony to creation, not evolution."

If we were created, no deformity would exist at all. The mere word "deformity" would not even exist as we'd have no concept of such a thing.

Wait, I know. Da Fall dun did it, right?

old comment by Canadiest

Explaining Cains wife is the problem of those who believe That Cain existed and was cast out in a world with no other humans yet still found a wife.

It's obvious early Christians decided he took a black wife, not really being people like Adam and eve and all.

It's also obvious most fundamentalists like Ken (while being completely racist but refusing to show it as some Baptist and some Mormons still do)just refuse to address the issue. Hence this misdirection attempt.

As to the "deformed" bullshit, he's had this explained to him but their faith is blind and chooses to stay that way.

The deformed did not reproduced, the unworkable deformities are unborn, kill mother and/or child, cripple or hinder the offspring.

Here's one for you Ken, Barren, impotent, Homosexual and plain without sex drive folk have been with us since recorded history. You have them in your congregation of nimrods. Are their lives all without merit? We know for a fact you welcome the mentally challenged, the biological cases and the willful ones.

Ken Ham #fundie answersingenesis.org

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