[ "Noah wouldn’t have had the adequate tools" [to build his ark] ]
Besides the fact that we don’t know what tools Noah had, we point out that many people wittingly or unwittingly have an evolutionary view (or evolutionary-influenced view) of history. Many think Noah must have been some primitive person maybe using primitive stone tools. When God made man, man was obviously highly intelligent. Genesis 4:21 tell us that within a few generations people were making musical instruments. By the time of Noah, and with people living for hundreds of years before the Flood, who knows what sort of knowledge was accumulated and the kind of sophisticated technology that was developed? Noah may have had tools and other impressive technology that we would be jealous of! And remember, we don’t know how ancient people built many of the stone structures in South America or even the remarkably constructed Egyptian pyramids. The ancients obviously had a technology we just aren’t aware of, as it seems no record was kept or the records were destroyed. In this area of ancient technologies, we need to think in terms of a Christian worldview based on the history in the Bible.
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"And remember, we don’t know how ancient people built[...]the remarkably constructed Egyptian pyramids."
To paraphrase David Lister from Red Dwarf, they had massive whips, Ken. Massive massive whips!
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Edd China: 'Just as a certain Russian plane company put together their craft with a MiG welder, Noah put his boat together with an Ark welder, amirite?! '
(*In-between scenes burst of "Balaclava" by The Wideboys *) [/"Wheeler Dealers "] X3
Ken, let me clue you in to a little something: amazingly, we do have a fairly solid idea about what tools were used in the era you're talking about. After all, we have research .
20 seconds on google, Ken. You will learn so much.
There is no evidence of this, it's now even in your book Ken.
We have a very good idea at how the pyramids were built. They are not a mystery to history scholars.
The same article states that Ken Ham believes that Noah used freaking cranes, concrete, and metals, alongside other things to build his ark.
These arguments were originally used against Ken's ark projects's inaccuracy, and considering how his only response was "we don't know what Noah used", does anyone thing he's "Lying for Jesus?"
The same article states that Ken Ham believes that Noah used freaking cranes, concrete, and metals, alongside other things to build his ark.
These arguments were originally used against Ken's ark project's inaccuracy, and considering how his only response was "we don't know what Noah used, so my ark is accurate". Does anyone think he's "Lying for Jesus?"
Ken, you didn't ruin a perfectly good site in Kentucky and hand-build that ark, just you and a handful of sons or friends, did you? No, that blight on the landscape and on the thinking mind took every high-tech building technique, and (1) it isn't coming in on budget, or on time, and (2) it's only a mock-up, with dummy animals that don't require feeding and shit-shoveling. That last phrase reminds me of someone....
And remember, we don’t know how ancient people built many of the stone structures in South America or even the remarkably constructed Egyptian pyramids.
That statement is basically false. Scientists are discovering all the time the hows of ancient buildings. They have a pretty good idea on the mechanics of how Egypt did their building. Oddly enough, it didn't involve Jewish slave labor.
Noah's ark on the other hand has yet to be discovered.
I can recommend an excellent book called "The Ark Before Noah: Decoding the History of the Flood" by Irving Finkel, Assistant Keeper at the British Museum. In his book, Finkel describes how the orginal Babylonian Ark was almost certainly a giant coracle made of reeds. A PBS documentary was made in 2014 showing a modern attempt to replicate such an Ark in India.
"The ancients obviously had a technology we just aren’t aware of, as it seems no record was kept or the records were destroyed."
Yet somehow not a single example of it survived the flood mixed in with the dinosaur fossils.
@Ivurm
"Noah, with technology more advanced than us... built his boat out of wood. "
Golpher wood. Which is biblecode for fiberglass.
All the world's ancient monuments were built by civilisations that had lots of labour and plenty of time. Muscle and sweat.
Just looking at the picture. Another biblical blot on the landscape. America appears to be full of them.
noah, living in a society with tools more advanced than ours, was somehow the only guy with a boat capable of surviving the flood?
newsflash: if your story's setting is such that, for the hero to succeed or even stand out, all the antagonists (and/or the background characters) have to be blithering idiots --- you need a better writer.
@Nomen Nescio
"noah, living in a society with tools more advanced than ours, was somehow the only guy with a boat capable of surviving the flood?"
Then why wasn't it until the 1960s that Kelly Johnson & co. at Lockheed's Skunk Works had to invent tools & processes for working with the Titanium used in the construction of the SR-71? There's a question for Hambone.
"And remember, we don’t know how ancient people built many of the stone structures in South America or even the remarkably constructed Egyptian pyramids. The ancients obviously had a technology we just aren’t aware of, as it seems no record was kept or the records were destroyed."
...oh, just ask Weyland Corporation. Their records should tell you of how an archaeologist they'd hired decoded hieroglyphs in a structure in the ice at Bouvetoya which told of how not dissimilar structures were built in Asia & Central America.
Those ancient civilisations were taught to build such by the Yautja . Your 'Ancients' - worshipped as Gods - are alien hunters: Predators.
...but hey, one fiction's just as good as another, amirite Kenny-boy? I'm sure AiG's 'research team' can come up with an equally fanciful tale. Only, be careful re. those 'Ancients', or the lawyers of the owners of the "Stargate" franchise will make you wish that the 'Apocalypse' would happen.
There's nothing in the Bible or history to explain wood covered metal beams like your "All wood authentic Ark reconstruction" being built with.
His own videos show much of the metal bracings one where an architect describes the wood sleeved metal girders. They probably realized they couldn't hide this and building codes would indeed demand it but Ken still just a week or so ago said "All wood authentic Ark reconstruction". Playing it both ways like a true two faced bastard.
And again:
"Noah wouldn’t have had the adequate tools [to build his ark]"
This is just a bad argument against the bible/religion.
Seriously, the story says an elderly man, on advice from a magic sky wizard, builds a magic boat capable of holding all the species of the world in order to save them from a magic storm and magic flood so they could magically spread around the world and magically repopulate it.
At this point, you can't seriously argue against it just because Noah didn't have the right hammer. That's like saying that the Goldilocks story is false simply because bears wouldn't leave their door unlocked, while ignoring the fact that bears don't live in houses with chairs, porridge, and beds!
"Yet somehow not a single example of it survived the flood mixed in with the dinosaur fossils."
If civilization was wiped out, even though plenty of technology more advanced than what the post-crisis people had would survive, they would be unable to recognize it as technology at all, much less advanced technology.
For the record, Ken Ham is a closed-minded ignoramus, but as the old saying goes, even a stopped clock is right twice a day, except he is a stopped twenty-four-hour clock.
@Razark: i used to try to convince flood apologists that any deity which (1) was capable of flooding the planet, and also (2) wanted to selectively genocide most of humanity, would be more than capable of achieving that goal with much more elegant, discriminate means than mass drowning. predictably, however, this made exactly zero headway against the sorts of people who actually want to (and can make themselves) believe in a global flood.
if they've already swallowed the frog of believing in a flood which geological evidence can prove never happened, you might as well pick nits with the flies they'll swallow after. they're not regurgitating the frog just because you can show that a few of the flies were dead already, so take your amusement where you may.
Ham's favorite: the "ad hoc hypothesis". Just invent any crap you like and sit back and say "prove me wrong".
In any event, we're told what Noah used: "gopher" wood and pitch.
@John
And length, width, height, 3 levels One large side door one small window.
They're of course building a Children's Bible fancified modern shaped one with a restaurant on top. Does it have a shuffleboard deck on the top too? Why the fuck not? How about some skeet shooting after lunch, you know that'd bring them in.
Honestly, there's two fucking concrete and steel buildings anchoring it (above it's already metal and concrete self support)and providing elevators because Ham knows his market loves Jesus but gotta eat every couple hours too.
Hams just reinventing the Megachurches gamerooms , giftshops and fastfood booths.
P.S. this farce is one of my new hobbies, I'm regularly checking his site and related stories. Everything Ham does is underhanded and no one with any scruples should associate with such a long time liar, and with a full right Wing Governor in power in Kentucky now I know these idiots will fuck up sometime.
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