First who says the Earth revolves around the Sun? Since the Sun, Moon and stars were created after the earth then they very easily could move around the Earth.
Aristotle and Ptolemy and his predecessors were geocentric in belief of his model of the solar system. The ancient Greeks and most likely even back to Moses and before had the belief in the Geocentric model for the Solar System.
Until the 17th century when until the 17th century through the synthesis of theories by Copernicus and Kepler developed the currently accepted Heliocentric model.
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that science for you. while time passes, we discover more facts about our universe and improve our knowledge. that's why we can have better understanding now, than the scientists of the 16th century, or the shepherds of the middle east in 500BC.
They just do, even if you ignore all the math and all the laws, people, living breathing people have seen it to be so. Realitee does not give a fuck what you think.
So you accept that science works, but then you reject its conclusions.
You ate a lot of glue at kindergarten, didn't you?
> Since the Sun, Moon and stars were created after the earth then they very easily could move around the Earth.
Fun fact: we actually know the age of the Sun, the Moon, the Earth and many stars. Guess what: the Earth and the Sun are the same age, the Moon is slightly younger and the stars are all over the place: some are (considerably) younger than the Earth, many are (far) older.
> Until the 17th century when until the 17th century through the synthesis of theories by Copernicus and Kepler developed the currently accepted Heliocentric model.
It's called progressive insight. Although the heliocentric model was first developed in antiquity (Aristarchos, 3rd century BC), but it wasn't as wide-spread (there probably wasn't any real need for a better model of the solar system at the time). Once could say that it was ahead of its time.
The ancient world came up with the heliocentric model but rejected it because they couldn't observe stellar parallax - that thing where when you cover one eye, then the other, objects jump slightly compared to the background.
We can observe it now using modern instruments. Turns out the stars are too far away for this to be observable to the naked eye.
"First who says the Earth revolves around the Sun?"
Everyone that has any clue what they're talking about. When the best thing that can be said about your cosmic model is "At least there's no turtles involved", you need to shut up about it.
"First who says the Earth revolves around the Sun?"
Oh, I dunno... Dr. Buzz Aldrin? He's actually been up there, and he's a Conservative Christian .
Are there any valves in your computer, revmwc? Are you using a dialup 14K/sec connection & Netscape browser? No? Well then: Science advances . [/Colossus]
...unlike you .
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@Rob aka Mediancat
Your amusing poem inspired me to compose a Haiku:
Nick Copernicus
...not as funny as yours, but 17 syllables gets the point across, I guess. Bravo, though. b^_^d
"Higgledy piggledy
'Give up your Ptolemy!
They also believed that spirits, demons, or the gods were responsible for the flu.
We've come a ways since then. And Aristotle was a bore!
Seventeenth century to the twenty-first, heliocentric. Twenty-first to whenever the sun dies over a lifeless planet, still heliocentric. There is no need to throw away the science of the present day and go back to the scientific ignorance of primitive times, unless you plan on returning to your cave for the rest of your life. There, in silent meditation and solitude, you will live on a diet of rainbow Doritos....
Ah..Genesis and all its fucked up glory trying to pass itself off as science again.
The sun is around 4.5-4.7 billion years old.
So we should go back to bloodletting, humors, demons, and burning witches because that's what we used to be believe?
You're entire argument is based around a sketchy religious text and the argumentum ad antiquitatem fallacy (argument to tradition or antiquity.)
Please try again, and call us in the morning.
@ Kanna
My hat is off to you and your mastery of smart assery.
The bible seem to say that the earth in the center but those where idioms.
Evolutionists think that people who believe the Bible are foolish because it tells that the earth is flat and is the center of the universe. These are misconceptions of Biblical verses or idioms. Both the Old and New Testaments are rich in idioms. An idiom is a word or phrase that means something other than the word or verses themselves. A person does not really have a log in his or her eye (Matthew 7: 3-5; Luke 6:41-42), but an opinion. To be born again means to change one’s thoughts and habits, not to come out of a mother's womb again. The modern idiom, “He licked my socks off” does not mean that he got down on his hands and knees and licked my socks until my socks came off. As you all know, it means that he beat me.
Holy Bible verses that in English say such as “the rising of the sun” or the “setting of the sun” cause atheists to believe that this means the Bible tells us that the sun actually does rise as it rotates around the earth. “Rising of the sun” comes from the Hebrew word mizrach, which means the East. These verses are found in Numbers 2:3; Psalm 50:1; Psalm 113:3; Isaiah 41:25; 45:6 and 59:19. Mizrach is derived from the Hebrew word for rise, zarach, meaning to appear. “Rises” is in 2 Samuel 23:4 and Job 9:7. So mizrach and zarach used together would mean the sun appears in the East. It does not mean the sun orbits the earth.http://www.intelligentdesigntheory.info/flat_earth_rotation_copernicus_galileo_geocentric_max_planck.htm
"These are misconceptions of Biblical verses or idioms. "
But before atheistic scientists discovered they aren't true they were literal. They didn't become idioms until 200 years after scientists proved the earth moved around the sun.
@1867818
"sigh"
Why was the Geocentric theory treated as literally true for centuries then? Why was it especially enforced by religious authorities? Certainly, if it were as you say, then they would have made adjustments and let the truth of The Bible be known?
Also, what does evolution have to do this Geocentric or Helicentric theory? It's a very specific field of science and not a broad term for everything non religious people believe.
First who says the Earth revolves around the Sun?
It doesn't! Neither the geocentric nor the heliocentric are correct. The Checkmatecentric model is correct. For the whole universe. The universe revolves around me. ;-)
So, in the vein of idioms, I guess saying Jesus was the son of god or that he died and was resurrected, are just idioms. Thanks.
@1867818:
Second, the Bible refers to the earth having corners & the sky being a solid dome with stars stuck in it. And not as poetic imagery, but - in context - as literal.
Read your Bible again. Also, you just justified NOT taking Genesis or the Resurrection as literal. Well done.
@ #1867818
OK, explain the miracle in Joshua 10 where Joshua prays to God to make the sun stand still, not for the earth to stop rotating. This is not an idiom; there's nothing in Biblical Hebrew to suggest that. Either the miracle is true, or it didn't happen and the Bible cannot be taken to be literally true.
@Anon-e-moose : Anyone who set foot on the moon gets some slack for his politics. He earned that right.
I'd line up to get punched in the nuts and kicked down a flight of stairs by Aldrin. Also I'd help hold revmwc while Aldrin worked him over with a lead pipe, a blowtorch and a pair of pliars. This guy ain't fit to lick the Aldrin's sweaty taint. [/marcellus]
First who says the Earth revolves around the Sun?
Um, reality.
Aristotle and Ptolemy and his predecessors were geocentric in belief of his model of the solar system. The ancient Greeks and most likely even back to Moses and before had the belief in the Geocentric model for the Solar System.
So?
Until the 17th century when until the 17th century through the synthesis of theories by Copernicus and Kepler developed the currently accepted Heliocentric model.
And? You do know that we've actually observed this stuff from space, right?
Funny how stars revolving around the Earth lead to only a few minor inconsistencies like having them move faster than light or being thrown away by centrifugal force.
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And with that single sentence I know you're from US. (well, most of the "fundies" comments are anyway) People please go to see the world around, that'll help getting out of this atheist/religious opposition.
I'm French and scientist, my work enabled me to travel and meet people from all over the world and I can tell you many scientist are religious (christian, muslim, jewish, hindu...) and many religious people accept evolution. The one who I heard put it best was ... a priest in his church (yep) What he said was along the lines of "The bible is not a book of physics or biology, these are not the kind of truth it teaches, it teaches truths that goes beyond this material world". I'm fine with that. Science is about how things work down here, and the mere fact we're discussing that ON THE FRIGGIN INTERNET is proof it works. And I've not met only ONE religious person in a developed country that denied that. On the opposite side, most atheists I've met have no problem with people who want to find answers to the sense of existence in religion, and those who have a problem with that simply live and let live. But the case of US is really puzzling me.
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