“Is there any amount of evidence that could be provided to you that would make you not believe in the God of the Bible?”
Questions like this one show that atheists have no idea that Christians don’t merely believe that God exists. They know God (John 17:3). It’s like asking a newly married man, “Is there any evidence that I can give that would make you not believe that your wife exists?”
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If you could demonstrate that my wife was, in fact, a paid actor hired to seduce me and the ceremony had been a farce. Or if the life I had been living was a simulation in a computer. Or any number of reasons. This is why scientific thought is inherently superior to faith. We change our minds about things when new information arrives, not deny it.
As usual, Ray sucks at analogies. I can see my wife, and so can others. I can verify her existence with my own hands. She leaves footprints when walking on soft ground. She leaves a dent in the couch cushion.
God does none of these things.
Ray Comfort: "Atheists have no idea that Christians don’t merely *believe* that God exists. They *know* God (John 17:3)."
Atheist: "Then why is there so much disagreement between Christians regarding what God wants, what he does/doesn't tolerate? Why are there LOADS AND LOADS of Christian denominations, the members of each insisting that members of all the other ones 'aren't True Christians'?"
Ray Comfort (pulls out a banana): "Behold! The atheist's nightmare!!"
Ah, so you "know" god, hm?
*titter*
Meanwhile, I'm sorry to say that my imaginary friend says you are a bit of an ignoramus.
What, my friend doesn't exist? I came up with those words myself?
Well then, prove it.
Chop chop, I haven't got forever.
We have a wedding date planned, you see. c:
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...and unless you're one of those on 4chan's /a/ or on Wizardchan with a 'Waifu' who exists only as '0's & '1's on a computer screen, all said man - or woman , post-26th June SCOTUS decision - has to say is 'Who do you think she is: Chopped Liver?! '
Can you prove that the Invisible Pink Unicorn doesn't exist? [/Lauren Faust] Use of Bad Analogy. Your argument is invalid , Banana Boy.
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What does God need with proseltysers like you ? [/Capt. James T. Kirk]
"They know God"
...as in the 'Biblical Sense', eh? [/Freud] Thanks for admitting that your 'God' is gay then; says so much about you & your boyfriend Kirk Cumonhim, Ray Cumfart. [/Jessie Jerry] >:D
Well, I can meet your wife. You can show me your wife. Your wife is tangible, material, heat-emitting, visible, audible, and otherwise detectable. False analogy.
Ray sweetie, you could show your wife to other people, or introduce her, or take a picture and post it on Facebook, or appear on TV with your wife by your side and then WE would also see your wife and know she exists. But try that with your imaginary friend god, and people will go away shaking their heads and saying "Ray's really lost it this time".
Eh, sure, yes.
Your answer shows that you've never had marital sex, bananaman. If you'd ask any happily married man "does your wife exist?", you'd probably get an "oh, definitely".
Most men would probably prefer to "know" their wives, biblically, than to "know" God or Jesus, biblically; most men are not homosexual*, after all...
(Not that there is anything wrong, whatsoever, with being homosexual, just that a majority of men are born heterosexual.)
Your wife (assuming you specifically have one) doesn't fuck off entirely for the whole duration of meeting her, dating her, getting engaged, the actual marriage ceremony, and everything that comes after that, refusing to communicate to you in any way except for a book written by basically everyone except her.
We think Christians merely believe that God exists because Christians cannot offer any proof that they "know" God except for simply saying such and pretending that is the be-all, end-all to the argument.
@ Swede
...I'd rather not 'know' the fundie God personally, spiritually, and especially not 'biblically'. I'd rather not see him at all unless it's with a lot of heavy weaponry and Kamina, Simon, Nanoha Takamachi, Signum, Hayate Yagami, and Faith Harlown as backup.
Chris Hemsworth as Thor or Tom Hiddleston as Loki, on the other hand. Yum,
@Kanna
The fact that Ray Cumfart is reduced to using this analogy, coupled with his need to hang around with Kirk Cumonhim speaks more about him than Bryan Fischite ever could, even when cornered.
Because if you was as hetero as you think you are, you'd tell Kirkypoos to fuck off and do your proseltysing with Sue instead.
It's like asking a man married for decades 'Is there any evidence that I can give that would make you accept that you don't love your wife...?! '
Logic. The fundie's worst nightmare.
It’s like asking a newly married man, “Is there any evidence that I can give that would make you not believe that your wife exists?”
- If one could demonstrate that whenever I see my hypothetical wife it is just an hallucination or some kind of hologram. (See the movie A Dangerous Mind.)
- If one could demonstrate that my memories of even being married are somehow planted, Inception- or Total Recall-style.
- The person who I think of as my wife admits to being a paid actor and just playing a role, see The Truman Show.
- If one could demonstrate that the whole reality, including my wife, is just an illusion, like in the classic Superman comic “For the man who has everything”.
See, I don’t even have to think of a possible scenario myself, fiction writers already have written about it for ages. And that’s not even counting ideas like solipsism, which have been around for millennia.
Now answer the question.
<Questions like this one show that atheists have no idea that Christians don’t merely believe that God exists. They know God >
I seem to recall something in the film Constantine about there being a difference between believing god exists and knowing he does.
There's also something in the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy about god being nothing without faith.
There you have it, folks. By his own admission, Ray and his ilk killed god.
"Is there any evidence that I can give that would make you not believe that your wife exists?"
She's in the wedding pictures. Show me a picture of god. Even better, show me a picture of god at his drawing board intelligently designing a banana.
If no one has ever seen your wife, and all communication with her seems to happen telepathically, most people would feel safe to conclude that your wife is just an figment of your lonely imagination and your belief in her, evidence be damned, delusional.
Besides, the belief in "spirit spouses" appears globally - most prominently in shamanistic belief systems, but there is also the occasional nun or Christian mystic who has dreams of being the "Bride of Christ".
Confused?
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