A number of years ago,a terrible mid-winter air disaster occurred in which a plane leaving the Washington D C airport smashed into a bridge spanning the Pontomac River,plunging its passengers into the icy waters.As the rescue helicopters came,attention was focuses on one man who again and again pushed the dangling rope ladder to other passengers rather than be pulled to safety himself.Six times he passed the ladder by.When they came ,again he was gone.He had freely given his life that others might live.The whole nation turned its eyes to this man in respect and admiration for the selfless and good act he had performed.And yet,if the atheist is right(no Heaven)that man was not noble-he did the stupidest thing possible.He should have gone for the ladder first,pushed others away if necessary in order to survive.But to die for others he did not even know,to give up all the brief existence he would ever have-WHAT FOR? FOR THE ATHEIST THERE CAN BE NO LOGICAL REASON.And yet the atheist,like the rest of us,instinctively reacts with praise for this man’s selfless action.Indeed,one will probably never find an atheist who lives consistently with his system.
FOR A UNIVERSE WITHOUT MORAL ACCOUNTABILITY AND DEVOID OF VALUE IS UNIMAGINABLY TERRIBLE.
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FOR THE ATHEIST THERE CAN BE NO LOGICAL REASON.
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Naw...don't you see?
He was trying to get a seat next to Jesus by doing "good works".
Pfffft! Now he's really going to hell, to the worst part.
And if he ever gets out, his kind and loving Gawd will send him
back for more. Serves his liberal ass right!
Just in case anyone's curious, they're referring to Air Florida Flight 90, which crashed on January 13, 1982. The man referred to is Arland D. Williams, Jr., and yes, he was a hero.
Ooooor, he did something noble and then tragically died. People don't usually do unfathomably self sacrificing things because they're wanting to earn a ticket to Heaven, even if they believe that they're going there. They do those things because they feel a strong or even overwhelming desire to keep others safe. It's a response to tragedy, and very few people know whether it would be their response before they're in that situation.
We all have a moral accountability, to ourselves and to our fellow humans. Accountability to a myth is just one more layer on there, and since your myth never tells you if he is pleased or displeased by your actions, you have no way to judge them.
@#2024295
>Once again we have another fundamentalist moron who thinks being an atheist is synonymous with being a nihilistic psychopath.
Maybe they themselves, are a nihilistic sociopath, and fear of God is the only thing keeping them in line
But in the Christian World, all good deeds are as filthy rags, and all that matters is that you are saved.
How do you know he wasn't an atheist?
Like the time Sullenberger landed the plane in the Hudson River in New York, some people praised the Christian god for the landing. Sully attributed it to his skills he learned from being a fighter pilot. No god had anything to do with it.
Same with people rushing out to the plane to rescue others. No god had anything to do with that. It's called empathy for your fellow human beings.
If you think noble acts are only noble if they come without a potential cost, you don't know what "noble" means. And atheists don't have a dogmatic system to live within. I'll never understand how that incredibly simple concept can be so far beyond even you idiots. Half the time you, yourselves, point it out!
@#2024295
I suppose when one is a nihilistic sociopath, it's hard to grasp the concept of any other approach to life.
There is no heaven nor hell nor afterlife. Morality is relative and life has no objective meaning. This is what I believe.
Your life only has subjective meaning, and what greater meaning could your life have in such dire circumstances as these than to allow other lives to go on?
While many people, theist and atheist alike, might not have done what this man did, it is by no means antithetical to either theism or atheism. His life and actions had great meaning, and for what more can an atheist hope?
Yeah, you don't understand atheists.
As an atheist, I admit that I wouldn't take suicidal risks unless I was likely to die anyway. But I do take risks and make personal sacrifices on behalf of others. Because I care about this world and the people in it, not some fictional afterlife.
@Pink Jackboots
@Shepard Solus
I've gotten that impression on more than one occasion from a number of fundies, honestly I think that if some of them found out that their god wasn't real they would go on a multi state murder spree.
Uh, no, that's not what atheists think. That's not how they work. Just because they don't believe God exists doesn't mean they live as if nothing matters other than themselves.
They're little things called compassion and empathy. You know, the things that supposedly come from God, yet which fundies like yourself seem incapable of expressing?
I'm a little bit of an Ayn Rand fan. Though, I'm on the left wing side of that... call me a "bleeding heart libertarian" maybe. The main point is, I think everything we do is selfish, even acts of "self sacrifice" like described here. Even Christians are, I really think. They're just uh, storing up points for the afterlife, so to speak. An act of self sacrifice is because you believe other people are like you, and therefore want them to do well and such.
Does that make sense to anyone?
@KingOfRhye
I understand what you are saying, but at the same time I really despise Ayn Rand and that kind of thinking. She twisted the meaning of "altruism" so many times to her liking (so that she could call it evil) only to rely on federal care later on in her life that her hypocrisy is just too much. Not to mention that she believed that we could observe the universe objectively and that her view was the only rational view, both of which is most certainly wrong. Yes, there is always an "egotistical" part of an altruistic act, whether it feels good, fulfills our moral needs or similar things if you search for it. But Rand forgets that there are other factors out there. If the egotistical component is weak and you still do an altruistic act (when your life, the most important thing you have for example, is also in danger) then it doesn't matter really. She also ignored that altruism doesn't have to mean "giving up everything for others". She was cold-hearted, elitaristic and egocentric to the extreme (well at least she followed her ideology until she needed the welfare money).
When I'm doing something for others I'm not thinking about the benefits (and if I do so subconsciously I can't do a thing about it) and in a situation as bad as the one described above the man certainly had no time to do so.
"He should have gone for the ladder first,pushed others away if necessary in order to survive."
That's what you'd do, because God would want you to, right? That's something we also hear about but y'all avoid that reality. "God wants me to be rich while others starve, God wants me to rest in luxury while other toil in misery" those are the sentiments of many a Christian.
You ain't fooling anyone, time and time again the selfishness and nastiness of Christian is reported on nearly daily.
Time and time again stories like this are used to slam Atheists or other cultures, suggesting only a Christian has the desire to help or care. It's easily proven wrong but they gotta keep the farce rolling.
The pilot has responsibility for the safety of the passengers .
See? A simple explanation utterly annihilates any possible 'excuse' you fundies can come up with.
Religion doesn't enter into it. Also, the pilot acted the way he did: because he did . NEXT!
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF MORAL ACCOUNTABILITY, ONE MOLECULE OF VALUE. AND YETDeath waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.
With apologies to the memory of Sir Pterry.
@KingOfRhye
Sacrificing yourself is saying "I don't want to live when stuff like this goes on.'
That's not self-sacrifice. That's suicidal depression.
Life, the Universe - EVERYTHING has the value that you give it. Clearly, this man valued life more than anything else - and took the option that saved as much as possible.
You , on the other hand, don't seem to value anything but your own cult beliefs. And that is what is truly terrible.
Confused?
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