[ "So your saying if a baby is born with four fingers we should cut one of the fathers fingers off?" this is about when a man hits a pregnant woman in the stomach ]
no. you punish the man that hurt the mother. if it happens to be the father then yes.see God cares about all life and the idea here is that the punishment should fit the crime.
why do you think women are "unclean" while in their period? because the unfertilized egg was a potential life and thus it is the same as a baby that died. the hebrew word used for that kind of "uncleaness" is the same word used for corps contamination. a man is also "unclean" if he has any kind of unatural discharges.because the sperm was a potential life.
I think it's funny the semantics that so called "scientists" use today.they say "it isn't a live baby, it's a fetus". they don't mention that the word fetus means little baby.[..]
thats their whole reasoning as to why it's ok to kill babies. "because it isn't really alive so you aren't actually killing." the problem is that a "fetus" meats all 4 of the critirea necessary to be considered alive. so according to science a fetus is alive.
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Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is good.
Every sperm is needed in your neighborhoooood!!!
Sorry, for some reason that song just popped into my head.
Nice song, LDM. I thought about that too.
Fetus is a lifeform that can not survive outside the womb, so it's not a separate alive being. When it can be kept alive outside the womb, from about the 25th week, then it's called a baby. Some fetuses have been saved in week 23, but they are often severely undeveloped and will be disabled for the rest of their, often short, life.
We should first care about the lives that are allready here, before we bring more life into the world. We do not need to populate the earth, it is dangerously overcrowded already. There are milions of orphans around the world, if you could care half as much about them, as you do about unborn embryos, then every single one of them would be fed and cared for. Hypocrites!!!!!!!!!
Why were women "unclean" during their periods?
Because the people who wrote that nonsense were utterly ignorant of biology, and weren't that fond of women either. So they made up some bullshit about how nasty and evil women were. Ritual "uncleanness" has jack shit to do with physical reality.
I hath never said "unclean". I said "mostly unwilling for sex, or anything else for that matter. At least some of them. Don't get them annoyed or angry.", but they got it messed up during translations and rewrites. Lazy assholes, it hath been too long to thee to write it all.
In truth, I should have given the women to write the bible, but the guys were so pushy and girls hath too much work on their shoulders already. The greates' mistake of me life.
"why do you think women are "unclean" while in their period? because the unfertilized egg was a potential life and thus it is the same as a baby that died"
No no no no no. Old Testament Jews had no clue what a fucking egg was, much less sperm. Until you get a clue, STFU.
@Nothing
Angels are illiterate and I couldn't be bothered to create more hmm... "appropriate" beings (to be honest, after the imperfect mess I hath made, I've felt kinda discouraged. Humans sometimes do have that effect on me). And they said they could handle it, and that writting it myself would be showing off... They hath been so persuasive... That's why the dissapointment hath been so big and why I turned to watcher instead of maker and worker... Such a sad story...
why do you think women are "unclean" while in their period? because the unfertilized egg was a potential life and thus it is the same as a baby that died.
All very poetic, but pure speculation and utterly worthless. The bible is nothing but a collection of bald assertions when it comes to such matters, and gives no justification or explanation whatsoever. You'd better hope we're right and that god as you define him doesn't exist, otherwise it's a dead certainty you'd burn for trying to put your own words into his mouth in this way.
"fetus 1398, from L. fetus "the bearing, bringing forth, or hatching of young," from L. base *fe- "to generate, bear," also "to suck, suckle""
-etymonline.com
Not exactly "baby", more like "gamete" or "potential lifeform". Also, if 'God' thinks that having ejaculations and a period are unclean and murderous, why the FUCK would he CREATE such mechanisms in the first place?!
I always thought it was because we were BLEEDING OUT OF OUR CROTCHES. I mean, it's not like ancient Israelites would have known there was an unfertilized egg in there, right?
Fetus=little baby thing= [citation needed]
But the sperm wasn't a life. Look everyone in the world is a potential criminal, but aren't treated like real criminals. Likewise, a life isn't a life until it's born. This is why we celebrate birthdays and not conception days.
So the egg is "potential" life? Actually, it's alive too. It dies during "that time of the month," but it is alive. Very much like all of the sperm that get wasted whenever I cum (irrespective of whether an egg gets fertilized.)
This is why I hate the anti-abortion jingoistic question of "when does life begin". It doesn't begin. It began millions of years ago and has been evolving ever since. Well, for the most part it has been. I doubt that Heartbrokenbrad has evolved in any capacity whatsoever.
"a "fetus" meats all 4 of the critirea necessary to be considered alive."
So does a mosquito, dickwad. I bet you slap them anyway.
corps contamination
Nudge nudge wink wink, say no mo'!
because the unfertilized egg was a potential life and thus it is the same as a baby that died.
Your brain was a potential life and thus it is the same as a baby that died.
they don't mention that the word fetus means little baby
"They" don't mention that the word fundamentalist means weaselly fascist colluding liar either. (It's true, you can check the online dictionaries, known to be secretly controlled by scientists, and neither of these are listed as definitions.)
...about as alive as an amoeba, but that's good enough right? the "alive" part is the only thing that matters, of course. it's not like it has to be any kind of sentient organism, it just has to have cells, like the germs in your body your immune system just murdered. it is apparently murder after all, since life seems to be your only criteria.
So it meets all four criteria for life?
cellular organization: Sure I'll give you that one
reproduction: Definitely not at conception
metabolism: Not at conception
homeostasis: See metabolism
heredity: Definitely, pass
responsiveness: I'll buy that it can respond to stimuli
growth and development: In spades
So it passes four, out of seven. Learn to science and maybe you can play big boy games like decision making and basic reason.
BrokenHeadBrad needs to STFU. A fetus does NOT meet all the criteria to be considered alive -- it cannot support itself independent of the mother's body, and thus is a parasite. I consider it the same as a tapeworm. Of course, as a male, you really have no right to comment on what WOMEN CHOOSE TO DO WITH THEIR BODIES.
Your Babble says if a man hits a pregnant woman and she miscarries he just has to pay a fine to her husband.
If she's unmarried nothing happens to him.
Seems to me like the Babble is saying that abortion is only wrong if it goes against the will of the woman's husband.
The reason women are deemed 'unclean' has nothing to do with eggs, it has to do with early man and not having menstruating women hunting as the smell would be picked up by what they were hunting and by other predators. Massive fail on your part.
And no, fetus doesn't mean little baby. And according your own dogma, it's not a life until
A: the blood is flowing in the fetus
B: The mother feels the fetus moving
C: It breathes on it's own.
So even your own rhetoric can't make up it's mind.
@Berny, WMDKitty: re fetus = parasite
Just to be pedantic (it's in my contract as a bio major), it really doesn't fit most definitions. Usually a parasite has to reduce the reproductive fitness of its host, which a fetus obviously doesn't.
"the problem is that a "fetus" meats all 4 of the critirea necessary to be considered alive. so according to science a fetus is alive."
We should believe someone who spells like this about what science says?
Well dg, I'll argue you on that one, since a pregnant woman is difficult to get pregnant again until after the fetus is gone, and it sure uses a lot of resources preventing the FULL absorption of calories from food intake.
So you're saying women should ALWAYS be pregnant? From the time a girl reaches puberty, she should start churning out babies, one every nine months like clockwork, because God forbid one of those unfertilized eggs goes to waste!
why do you think women are "unclean" while in their period?
It stems back from prehistoric times, where the scent of menstrual blood would spook prey, or attract a predator.
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