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How to stop Islam?

Well.... ridicule is very powerful.
I'm sure that now that the film "The Innocence of Muslims" has come along, we will see the floodgates opened and there will be cartoon after cartoon, movie after movie about dirty old Mo and his hangers-on.

Ridicule, ridicule, ridicule and ridicule again.

Ridicule the stupid cult and its pathetic leader with his made-up "god" allah.
Drown the Muslims in ridicule, scorn, derision and contempt. They deserve no better.

After a few years of that, a certain portion of Muslims will decide to become terrorists (and will try to take a few of us with them). But a large number will also leave Islam.

Even in the midst of all their stupidity, Muslims are still human (more or less).
Imagine - your "team" has become the laughing-stock of the world.
Why would you want to stay with it? Why would anyone want to join it?

Being tagged a "loser" can be very, very powerful.
The power of ridicule, scorn and derision should not be underestimated.

At the same time as the ridicule comes the standing-firm by us (and those like us).

The violence and mayhem that Islam causes has made me massively more hard-line when it comes to Islam. I am now not only not afraid of Muslims - I actively despise them. When I see one in the street, I sneer, scowl and "look daggers" at them, whether it be a man, woman or child.

One thing about my country (which I will not mention) - it may be small, but it is very rugged and very easily defended..

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old comment by Swede

The best way to stop Islam (the fundamentalist tenets, at least) is probably the same way we stopped Christianity in the end of the Dark Ages; Enlightenment, Education, Equality.

Would you give up your Christianity if you were ridiculed? Or would you cling onto it even harder? Your "team" is also the laughing-stock in many parts of the world, ya know...

Muslims believe in the same made-up god as you do, silly; the Abrahamic YWHW/God/Allah.
How do you know if the person in the street is a Muslim? S/he might be one of the "large number" that has left Islam and you are now "looking daggers" at them.

Are you Icelandic? Cypriot? Cuban? An island is easily defended

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How to stop Christianity?

Well.... ridicule is very powerful.
I'm sure that now that "Intelligent Design" has come along, we will see the floodgates opened and there will be attempt after attempt to push Christianity into public school science classes.

Ridicule, ridicule, ridicule and ridicule again.

Ridicule the stupid cult and its pathetic attempts to undermine the science of evolution with its made-up "irreducible complexity"
.
Drown the Christians in ridicule, scorn, derision and contempt. They deserve no better.

After a few years of that, a certain portion of them will decide to become terrorists (and will try to take a few of us with them). Think of all the abortion clinics bombed and doctors murdered. Think of the homosexuals beaten and murdered. Recall the crusades. Think of the children raped and terrorized. But a large number will also leave Christianity.

Even in the midst of all their stupidity, Christians are still human (more or less).
Imagine - your "team" has become the laughing-stock of the world.
Why would you want to stay with it? Why would anyone want to join it?

Being tagged a "loser" can be very, very powerful.
The power of ridicule, scorn and derision should not be underestimated.

At the same time as the ridicule comes the standing-firm by us (and those like us).

The violence and mayhem that Christianity has caused has made me massively more hard-line when it comes to Christianity. I am now not only not afraid of Christians - I actively despise them. When I see one in the street, I sneer, scowl and "look daggers" at them, whether it be a man, woman or child.

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1. You’re a xenophobic idiot. I’ve many Muslims who are complete d-bags, I’ve met Muslims who were the nicest people in the world in other words, as varied a group as your average group. You ever notice how the vast vast majority of terrorism is conducted within the ME and the vast vast majority kills Muslim civilians? You think Muslims actually enjoy holding their children’s dangled, blown up bodies? I'm terrified you would think that yes, they would enjoy it...

2. Their “Allah” is your “God”. Muhammad made it very clear that he was following Christianity and Judaism. This isn’t some polytheistic religion (that’s what Muhammad actually destroyed) but another Abrahamic religion so get over yourself.

3. Islam has a rich history behind it the Abbasid and Uyammad Caliphates, two of the largest and most powerful states of the Middle Ages; Al-Andalus, whose capital was the biggest of Western Europe; the Mughal Empire in India (I could go on). The Islamic Middle Ages was a time of cultural flourishing, political might and trade networks across the world. Muslim philosophers created the basis of scientific and historical studies. Western European intellectuals practically worshiped Averroes. They thrived as a civilization and they can take pride in their historical accomplishments and ignore fools such as your self “ridiculing them”.

4. Yeah, scowl and sneer at a 2-year-old Muslim (I assume you know he’s Muslim because he’s brown?), and be two steps away from assault and harassment. Because, you know, they’re the violent and evil ones.

@Skide: While I’m certainly not for violence over the cartoon stuff, I think it was mostly a feeling of cultural insult (the cartoons for instance had Muhammad wearing a bomb; hard to be more insulting to an entire religion by showing their holy prophet as a cartoonish terrorist) and that Christian-West was insulting everything about Islam. One can understand the pure outrage, but the violence was not acceptable. I’m not so sure fundamentalist Christians are beyond this they got pretty violent over Passion of the Christ

old comment by Anon-e-moose

How to stop right-wing Fundamentalist Christainity?

Well... ridicule is very powerful.
I'm sure that since the film "Jesus Camp" has come along, we will see the floodgates opened and there will be cartoon after cartoon, movie after movie about dirty old J-boy and his hangers-on.

Ridicule, ridicule, ridicule and ridicule again.

Ridicule the stupid cult and its pathetic leaders with their made-up "god" jehovah.
Drown the Christains in ridicule, scorn, derision and contempt. They deserve no better.

After a few years of that, a certain portion of Christains will decide to become terrorists (and will try to take a few of us with them). But a large number will also leave Christainity.

Even in the midst of all their stupidity, Christains are still human (almost).
Imagine - your "team" has become the laughing-stock of the world.
Why would you want to stay with it? Why would anyone want to join it?

Being tagged a "loser" can be very, very powerful.
The power of ridicule, scorn and derision should not be underestimated.

At the same time as the ridicule comes the standing-firm by FSTDT (and those like us).

The violence and mayhem that Christainity causes has made me massively more hard-line when it comes to Christains. I am now not only not afraid of Christains - I actively regard them as Inferior Subhumans. When I see one in the street, I imagine them sitting on the toilet with their pants round their ankles, whether it be a man, woman or child. Trust me, when one regards a subhuman in this imagined situation, the fact they look even more inferior being the least of their problems: you can never take them seriously ever again.

One thing about this post by encephalitis (which I will mention) - his brain may be small, but he is very buggered and this is very easily fixed.

'The only way to combat ridiculous propositions is through mockery'

-Thomas Jefferson

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/mitt-romney/9431064/Mitt-Romneys-Olympics-gaffe-overshadows-visit-to-London.html

Fundie Mitt 'Born With A Silver Foot In His Mouth' Romney destroying any & all possible Repubican - certainly Mor(m)on - relations with the UK for generations to come.

We weren't ready for our 2012 London Olympics, o Mitt the Tit? When even post-London Paralympics, Team Para-USA said 'This is how you run a Paralympics!'. No 'ridicule' by we Brits required. In your case, the satire writes itself. [/"Have I Got News For You", "Mock The Week"]

(Review of a documentary on Channel 4 last night; emphasis added):

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/jun/27/meet-the-mormons-tv-review

'It is funny because of what Mormons believe in: that Jesus went to America after his crucifixion, the planet Kolob, Joseph Smith, the secrets, the angels, the little white handbook, the not-at-all-little white underwear'

'Plus, Alleway gets endless lols from the creepy church representative sometimes Des, sometimes Richard, but always there, outside the door, listening in to make sure everything stays above board and her questions don't get inappropriate. (She does get into trouble for asking about sex and celibacy.)'

'There are a few days of sales training ... sorry, saving souls, not selling, at a centre in Preston, before Josh sets out to spread the word. Actually, not Josh any more; from now, even though he's only 20, he's Elder Field. Which sounds quite good actually, appropriately pastoral. They must have been an Elder Berry at some time too, no? Elder Flowers?'

'When training is complete, he's teamed up with Elder Bauman, who is Swiss and will be his companion for the next two years. They're not actually shackled together, but frankly they might as well be. [/Freud]

'They can go to the lav separately, otherwise they must do everything together: eat, sleep, pray. And try to convert the people of Leeds. Who of course are not interested, or they're Muslims, or Sikhs.' (The Moron Church clearly have no concept of Geopolitics, least of all doing research into the Demographics of a certain area/locale)

"I'd really like to give you a hug, but I'm not allowed to," she [his mother] tells Josh (yeah, screw you Church of Mormon, I can call him whatever I like, and he certainly seems more like a Josh than an Elder at the moment, with his eyes full of tears). Not just his documenter now then, but in the absence of his real mum, she's taken on a little bit of that role as well.'

'Does Alleway have a son herself, I wonder? The answer's on her website, the last line of the biography section: "Currently, I live in south London with my finest-ever production, my 22-year-old son, Josh."'

Oh, teh Irony...! X3

Meanwhile, the satire just keeps on a-writing itself...! >:D

old comment by Minaplo

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This is stupid and, of course, we can all appreciate the irony of a fundie ridiculing others in this context.

However, ridicule- actual organised, widespread constant ridicule- is a powerful psychological weapon, and one that is used constantly- it's more than just mockery, its the constant diminishing of the elements of one's identity, the reduction of one's culture and beliefs to a pale caricature to mock. It is the tool of oppressors and conquerors.

The ridiculed become depressed. The ridiculed commit suicide. The ridiculed become angry and cluster together and become radicalised and fall into the trap of groupthink.

Ridicule isn't the solution you're looking for here at all- it's the problem in the first place. When the West produces something that mocks and scorns Islam, the ferocious reaction isn't because they're oversensitive or cannot take a joke- it is because it is yet another insult after many, and all it does is confirm suspicions.

This cuts both ways, as well. Folks, remember that religion is more about believing in a god. Religions are also philosophies and ideologies about living one's life, and this gives them worth. There are many traits amongst many religions that are commendable and praiseworthy, just as there are traits amongst them that are dangerous or wrong-seeming. The same is true of just about every philosophy and ideology.

When ideologies radicalise, their individual beliefs rarely matter; radicalism tends to lead them to the same road and same behaviour. The problem lies with this extremism, and not with belief.

Simply believing in a god is not an indicator of anything, especially not that a believer is automatically inferior to a non-believer. We lament fundamentalism, not belief.