Self-Mutation #fundie

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I've seen a bunch of atheists argue on this board that God killed the whole population in the flood and he's a bigger murderer than Hitler and we shouldn't praise someone more evil than Hitler.

Why do atheists always like to argue God is murderer? In fact, God by definition can not murder. Murder is HUMANS murdering HUMANS.

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You just described a tyrant. It's their kingdom, they (and their ancestors) built it, and the people living there are their subjects. Why should people not follow their laws no matter how insane or hurtful? Why should they seek to rebel against tyranny so they could make a better life for themselves and their children?

And, btw, there's a push (in my area at least) for cops to not be allowed to drive at whatever speed they like unless there's an emergency as there have been unnecessary accidents. They're also policed heavily, themselves, to make sure abuse is punished. So, that's a horrible example,

Also - No matter how you define murder, your religion depicts people being "unfairly" killed (that is to say, if you think there are situations where it is fair to kill someone, that is not the case with some of the things your religion describes its god as doing). You can't get around that by playing word games.

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Atheists seem to pride themselves on rational thinking and logic. How does logic not dictate to the atheist that the world is God's to DO AS HE SEES FIT?

Uh, because that logic is fucking stupid? We're God's "children," essentially. You DO NOT have the right to murder your children just because you feel like it. Why? Because they're goddamned human beings. If you create sentient beings, it's your responsibility to take care of them.

.....What the fuck? I'm pretty sure police are still supposed to follow the laws, not just do whatever they want. Also, cops don't make the laws. Fail analogy is fail.

Why do atheists always like to argue God is murderer? In fact, God by definition can not murder. Murder is HUMANS murdering HUMANS.

This is just semantics. If you want me to go along with it, I'll say, "Okay, he's not a murderer. He's an animal abuser who cruelly tortures helpless beings lower than himself, just like a human drowning an innocent puppy.

...But it's all irrelevant anyway since it's just a fairy tale and God doesn't really exist."

Happy now?

old comment by Antichrist

How does logic not dictate to the atheist that the world is God's to DO AS HE SEES FIT? God is the creator and owner. Since when does God follow orders?

So as a mother and creator of a life, I can drown my babies? How about sell them into slavery or use them as plough animals? After all, they're mine to do with as I see fit.

Why do we send animal abusers to jail? After all, it's my animal, I own it, I should be able to do with it as I see fit.

"Why isn't that cop getting pulled over for driving 100?" Well, who's gonna pull him over? He's on top! The laws are made for us, not the cops.
Oh for fucks sake, you really think cops are above the law? You have serious issues regarding authority figures

Why do atheists always like to argue God is murderer?
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God by definition can not murder. Murder is HUMANS murdering HUMANS.
I actually agree with you on this one. God cannot murder anymore than the Easter Bunny can murder. But a hell of a lot more people are murdered in the name of Gods than in the name of any rabbit.

old comment by TB Tabby

"But, I am shocked by this. Atheists seem to pride themselves on rational thinking and logic. How does logic not dictate to the atheist that the world is God's to DO AS HE SEES FIT? God is the creator and owner. Since when does God follow orders?"

So might makes right? It's okay for God to torture and murder and do everything he says is immoral, just because nobody can stop him? That's some moral code he's got. I have a hard time taking an objective moral code seriously when the person putting it forward refuses to follow it.

"The laws are made for us, not the cops."

John Serpico should punch you in the face. Guess what, Mutie? COPS ARE SUBJECT TO LAWS TOO. In fact, it's even worse when they break the law, because they're supposed to be the ones upholding it! Yet you're trying to claim that it's okay for the people who are supposed to uphold justice are committing injustices.

"Why do atheists always like to argue God is murderer? In fact, God by definition can not murder. Murder is HUMANS murdering HUMANS."

So if a dog mauls a kid to death, we shouldn't call animal control or anything? The dog's not human, so it shouldn't be taken to take for killing a human. Not murder, after all.

old comment by Realityman

Poe?
I think not as I have heard variations on this line from sincere fundies.

Herein lies the most basic of differences between the christianist moral system and the moral system of ethical atheists.

As an atheist I feel, am convinced there is a difference between right and wrong. That difference arises from the effect of ones actions on the health and well being of the parties affected by my action. In that light killing another, especially an innocent, is simply wrong.

The fundie mindset is that good and evil is defined by decision of god. There is no appeal to logic or consequence in this set of "morals". That license opens up approval of the myriad evils acts done in the Old Testament supposedly in the name of god.

To entertain the momentary thought that good and evil are inherently good and evil in and of themselves and not the product of divine whim is poison to fundie cosmology. As a result fundies are dangerously immoral in any area that they are not clearly directed by their christianist teachings. (Witness the persecution of homosexuals, or perhaps the long term, extreme resistance to basic civil rights for blacks and women.)

Thus their god is called good, all the time, despite his demonstrable monstrous cruelty and injustice.

I know from the inside as I was once one of these blind souls.

old comment by dionysus

Wow, horrible example. Being a cop does not make you immune to the rule of law and while cops may get a bit more leeway (i.e. being able to speed when it's necessary), they're not above the law. If a cop kills someone for example, by your logic, he can't be convicted as "the rules weren't made for him". Luckily, that's not how the legal system works. What you are arguing for here is a police state not rule of law democracy. As for god, we can't stop him from killing people or doing whatever he wants and if he wants to run the universe with an iron fist there's not much we can do to oppose him. However, that doesn't change the fact that it's an immoral and unjust way to run a universe.

old comment by Pule Thamex

Absolutely spot-on there Self-Mutation. When God is having a temper tantrum why shouldn't He lash out like an out of control moron for instance? He's God, He can do as He pleases. If He chooses to behave as if He was one of humanity's worse, then that's His prerogative.

If God wants to kill people, whether they be old, young, men, women or children, that up to Him. If God thinks to Himself that a certain individual doesn't give enough praise and credit to Him or even believe in Him, then He is certainly within His right to act like a jealous low-life and cause that persons grand-children to suffer somehow. If, later on, He doesn't regret His rash and intemperate ways, well. who's to gainsay Him?

And if God is going to use as a role model one of the least educated and most moronic individuals on Earth, with an aptitude for bigotry, violence and lies, combined with an unhealthy gullibility, a drooling, slack-jawed acceptance of authoritarian dogma, then I say, well let Him. Let Him show His true colours, It'll make a change from the invisibility.

old comment by Horsefeathers

"But, I am shocked by this. Atheists seem to pride themselves on rational thinking and logic. How does logic not dictate to the atheist that the world is God's to DO AS HE SEES FIT?"

Because there happens to be living, breathing, sapient and sentient fucking beings on the planet, you jackass.

"God is the creator and owner."

So? I thought you god was "Just" or some shit.

"Since when does God follow orders?"

Apparently all the time, else intercessionary prayer wouldn't be attempted all the fucking time.

"Why would the laws God gives us apply to him?"

Because that would be fair and just. And according to you people, god is the embodiment of such things.

"It would be like asking, "Why isn't that cop getting pulled over for driving 100?"

I ask this rhetorically quite often when I see them doing shit they shouldn't be doing. Just because you're enforcing the law does not mean you aren't subject to it as well.

"Well, who's gonna pull him over? He's on top!"

So, might makes right. Is that what you're getting at? Simply because someone is in charge they can do no wrong.

I don't think so.

"The laws are made for us, not the cops."

Bull. Shit.

They are subject to the same fucking laws we are, though they are given certain leeway under specific fucking circumstances which allows them to do their job.

"Why do atheists always like to argue God is murderer?"

Read your book. Get your pencil out and tabulate how many people die because of god directly or through his direct order.

"In fact, God by definition can not murder. Murder is HUMANS murdering HUMANS."

Murder is the unjust taking of a life. God does this frequently throughout the Wholly Babble.

old comment by Swede

If a policeman is doing 100 for no particular reason, he WILL be pulled over, and he will probably be punished more than a regular citizen, as he's supposed to be a role model for us others to follow.
The same goes for God; if he's omnipotent, he ought to be able to follow the rules he puts on us mere mortals.

OK, God is not a murderer per se, but he certainly is a killer, of gargantuan proportions.

Hitler saw himself as a representative of God on Earth, he did what he thought God wanted him to, and the Church apparently agreed.
However, it doesn't really matter if Hitler was evil; he had to have followers and cohorts that were just as evil (or gullible enough to follow him), to carry out his orders.

There have been several megalomaniacs, both before and after Hitler, that were just as crazy and evil as he was, but they didn't have enough followers to clutch "the whole world" in their grasp. So their necrologies have been much more subdued than Hitler's.

old comment by JSS

"How does logic not dictate to the atheist that the world is God's to DO AS HE SEES FIT?"

I don't know. I just remembered seeing something in the bible about Jesus saying there was nothing he despised more than hypocrisy, but I must've been hallucinating.

"The laws are made for us, not the cops."

Good point. Cops have complete control over our society. They can murder, steal from, and rape as many people as they want and get off scot-free.

"In fact, God by definition can not murder."

I don't know what dictionary you've been reading. Remember this next time you post graphic pics of abortion aftermath: You worship a god who delights in smashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16).

old comment by Anon-e-moose

"How does logic not dictate to the atheist that the world is God's to DO AS HE SEES FIT? God is the creator and owner. Since when does God follow orders?"

God expects others to follow his orders, to uphold his moral standards, yet he can't keep himself to his own? There's a word for people like that:

Hypocrite.

The vast majority of your so-called 'God's 'creation' have never killed anyone in their entire life, nor do they want to, ever. Me included. I'd say that's holding higher moral standards than your 'God'.

Therefore we're morally superior to God. And if we're morally superior to God, ergo we're superior to God - in every way. QED.

Now, give us just one reason why we should worship, believe in, or even respect an inferior being, let alone acknowledge the existence of such?

Those who draw up laws aren't immune from them. Even presidents, prime ministers etc can be arrested if they break the law. The law applies to everyone.

NO EXCEPTIONS.

PROTIP: When someone says 'Do as I say, not as I do', they lose the moral argument. NO EXCEPTIONS.

"The laws are made for us, not the cops."

Two Words: Internal Affairs.

old comment by GigaGuess

I've seen a bunch of atheists argue on this board that God killed the whole population in the flood and he's a bigger murderer than Hitler and we shouldn't praise someone more evil than Hitler.
Deny it. Hitler killed six million. God wiped out the population of the world, less eight people, and a boatload of mating pairs of animals in the throes of a temper tantrum over the fact that his "favored" creation wasn't behaving like he wanted them to. But it's okay because God is good, and whatever he does is automatically good. We know because his PR campaign says so.

But, I am shocked by this. Atheists seem to pride themselves on rational thinking and logic. How does logic not dictate to the atheist that the world is God's to DO AS HE SEES FIT? God is the creator and owner. Since when does God follow orders?
Oh, we don't deny that if God exists, he can do that if he wishes. We just say that it's impossible to reconcile such an act with a being that is supposed to be an all-loving, omnibenevolent entity.

Why would the laws God gives us apply to him? It would be like asking, "Why isn't that cop getting pulled over for driving 100?" Well, who's gonna pull him over? He's on top! The laws are made for us, not the cops.
However, if a cop kills someone because they are driving recklessly, they are subject to the same consequences as anyone else. Bad analogy.

Why do atheists always like to argue God is murderer? In fact, God by definition can not murder. Murder is HUMANS murdering HUMANS.
Oh, I don't concider it murder. I consider it genocide. The systematic annihilation of an entire group.

old comment by shockmeshockmeshockmewiththatdeviantbehavior

SELF MUTATIONS BELIEF AS ACTED OUT IN A SKIT BROUGHT TO YOU BY SHOCKME:

Cop: speeding down the highway while enjoying his doughnut and coffee and somehow still managing to steer the wheel.
"God, its good to be a cop! No responsibilities... no cares... no worries.... and this glazed confection is absolutely delicious! mmm mmmm!!!"

GOD: (sitting up high on His throne in the Heavens looks down to the cop and grins giving him two thumbs up)

Cop: "When Im done racing around like a complete moron I think Ill go home, beat my wife, rape my daughter, and then go out for a good old fashioned gay bashing. Its been a while since Ive had the fun of committing Murder. HALLELUJA! ITS SO WONDERFUL to be above the law. Laws are for silly people that I can control and harrass. Not me no sirree!"

SUDDENLY... without warning... as Officer Dipshit is speeding down the road doing above 100... HE TURNS TOO SHARPLY TO THE RIGHT AND FALLS DOWN THE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN HITTING TREES ALONG THE WAY! BANG! CRASH! CRUNCH! The car rolls down the side of a cliff and from this vantage point all we can see is a puff of smoke just like in the looney tunes cartoons with the cayote chasing the roadrunner. Only this isnt a cartoon... nooo this is REAL LIFE. And this "above the law" cop is now DEAD.

Cop: "whoa.... awww man my doughnut where did it go? My coffees missing too... hey where am I where is this place?" He says as he wanders around the giant flaming cavern he finds himself in. He also notices his vehicle is gone... and he is surrounded by people crying, laughing insanely, and roasting on spits with demons poking them with pitchforks. A big red dude with horns approaches him.

DEVIL: "hahahaha nice stunt Officer Dipshit. Very impressive. Prepare to burn now for all eternity! Bwuahahahahaha." He says slapping some cuffs and chains on the officer.

Cop: "GOD! Help me please... nooo. How can this be? Ive followed you and served you all my life... and NO ONE stops you if you want to speed so I figured it was OK if I did it. Since we are both on top of our laws... you rule yours... I rule the man made ones... what is going on?

God: turns a deaf ear and chuckles to himself while reading a girly magazine and eating some bacon. "Sorry Dip... I love you and made you and all but... youre on your own. After all... I said I WAS ABOVE ALL LAWS. You assumed incorrectly.

DEVIL: Come on now i dont have all day. Ive many other mindless twits to torture step this way. Oh and just for clarification... you WERE stopped from speeding and breaking the law... by the seventeen trees you hit along the way down your slide from the top of that mountain. You just didnt seem to care or notice... OK BIG MAN. Time to meet all the bad guys you arrested that got the chair. And boy will they be happy to see you!

THE END.

*takes a bow*

PS: YOU ARE A MORON SELF MUTATION. :D

old comment by JSS

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Please fill out completely and return to front desk. Thank you, and have a bloodthirsty day.

I've seen a bunch of our nation's citizens argue on this board that [1: Insert tyrant's name] killed an entire population in the [2: Insert genocide/massacre conducted by tyrant] and he's a bigger murderer than [3: Insert less bloodthirsty tyrant than part 1] and we shouldn't praise someone more evil than [Part 3].

But, I am shocked by this. These citizens seem to pride themselves on rational thinking and logic. How does logic not dictate to the citizens that the nation is [Part 1]'s to DO AS HE SEES FIT? [Part 1] is the benevolent dictator and leader. Since when does [Part 1] follow orders?

Why would the laws [Part 1] gives us apply to him? It would be like asking, "Why isn't that cop getting pulled over for driving 100?" Well, who's gonna pull him over? He's on top! The laws are made for us, not the cops.

Why do our citizens always like to argue [Part 1] is murderer? In fact, [Part 1] in his state of power can not murder. Murder is lowly PEASANTS murdering lowly PEASANTS.

Atheists seem to pride themselves on rational thinking and logic. How does logic not dictate to the atheist that the world is God's to DO AS HE SEES FIT?

By putting up straw men of them then burning them. The straw men never represented them, it misrepresents them, what they say and think. Simple, isn't it. Of course, it also means that your argument was baseless, untenable. Its false premises were only straw men and other fallacies.

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