Remember that schools (media, society, etc.) currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism, so remember to realise how hypocritical it is for people (like several posters here) to say "No religion should be taught in schools". What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly.
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I never understand exactly what point they're trying to make with this is.
"Not pushing a religious agenda in school is a religion unto itself... therefore we should be indoctrinating them into Christianity"?
"What they really mean is 'no other religion other than my own.'"
So, by not teaching about religion, we're teaching about religion? Damn. How many mindfucks did it take you to get to that conclusion?
so remember to realise how hypocritical it is for people (like several posters here) to say "No religion should be taught in schools". What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly.
I assume you're talking about Christians here, since they're the ones who are always whining about Christianity not being allowed in schools but claim that other religions such as secular materialism are. It's not a religion, though, since the very definition of secular means "worldly," as in not pertaining to religion.
Remember that schools (media, society, etc.) currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism...
Shocking. Scandalous. Bullshit.
Unless you'd care to cite a specific example or two?
What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly.
I'll remember you said that the next time you go flapping your ballwashers about the schools not allowing religious groups to distribute their announcements or host prayer. You're not pissed off about prayer not being permitted, you're pissed off that christian
We already have a control example for this.
So tell me, who is being dishonest here?
Materialism is a philosophy not a religion and it is not taught in schools.
Infact I was never once taught about materialism at school however in Religious Education I did learn about Christianity, Islam & Hinduism etc and thanks to going to a secular state scool rather than one of the many state sponsored faith schools in the UK I was never taught any of them as fact.
schools (media, society, etc.) currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism
Boo F'ing hoo. Secularism, secular humanism, secular materialism, et al. are not religions. Wikipedia says it best:
"Secular Humanism is a secular philosophy that espouses reason, ethics, and the search for human fulfillment, and specifically rejects supernatural and religious dogma as the basis of morality and decision-making. Secular Humanism is a life stance that focuses on the way human beings can lead happy and functional lives.
So the entire basis of your argument, John, is flawed. That and the simple fact they don't teach this philosophy in public schools.
Not teaching that any one religion is correct is not the same as teaching that no religion is correct. That is a failure of logic.
Not only that, but you have a screen name that is a euphemism for a penis which makes this all the more ammusing.
Well at least this Nimrod is honest enough to admit what NeoCon Puritans have been saying thinking all along....
...Remember this guy?...
'AV1611VET' Quote# 62405
"I wear my ignorance like a badge!
It's our faith they need to see --- not our knowledge."
The latter might be a Poe but it's the same concept.
...'AV1611VET' & John Thomas are still morons, though...
(I forgot to log in first, my bad, I'm not a "Sock", thank you.)
OOPS! I read it again! I thought his quote about "No religion other than my own" was what he was saying that Fundies like him say.
"Remember that schools (media, society, etc.) currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism, so remember to realise how hypocritical it is for people (like several posters here) to say "No religion should be taught in schools"."
Why do you people insist that things which are obviously not a religion, i.e., "secular materialism", actually are a religion and things which obviously are a religion, i.e., Christianity, are not a religion?
Do you honestly think this shit convinces anyone with an IQ over room temperature?
"What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly."
No. They really do mean just what they say: NO religion. Period. Yours, theirs or that of anyone else. And especially not stupid shit like "secular materialism" which isn't even a religion to begin with you fuckwit.
The religion of "secular materialism"?
Secular (adj.), not religious, or not connected with religion.
So "secular materialism" would be a non-religious stress upon non-spiritual things. Can you get any less religious?
> schools [...] currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism
Mind you, I don't personally mind religious teaching in schools if it's only for baptised members of religion, is carefully quarantined to religion classes, is informative in nature and does not require tests of personal faith, and doesn't interfere with other teaching. We have that sort of system here in Finland.
But this sort of comment from you betrays that you would probably want the religious classes to be indoctrinative in nature. We can deduct from the comment that you believe that non-religious classes indoctrinate people into non-religious behaviour, so you want religious classes to counterbalance that effect. That is wrong. The purpose of the school is to inform, not force changes in one's behaviour and thinking.
Wasn't there one guy who said something along the lines of "truth shall set you free"? The problem with that is that you're scared of the other truths.
"No religion should be taught in schools". What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly.
For the most part, and speaking from my time in school (I'm a Junior right now), never has a religion been pushed upon me in a public school. So I'd assume you're not in school and that you're just being a twat.
So according to fundies evolution is a religion, atheism is a religion, liberalism is a religion, and now just being secular is a religion. Fucking everything is a religion to these people. So is it your contention that we shouldn't teach anything inn school? I mean, we wouldn't want kids to learn any of the evil secular math or evil secular science.
@ aaa
You know you have invented the perfect armour against IEDs, anti-tank rounds
Decapitate enough fundies to line your military vehicle with heads ...
Just sayin'
To this Ilk religion is everything and it is beyond their comprehension that not everyone places their beliefs into that same box.
It's tough to get out of a box when they don't even know the box exists.
John Thomas seems to be confused about the meanings of different spheres of human activity. I must admit that is not much of a surprise to me as he sounds as though he is a bit of a religious donut.
Religion, if John Thomas is unaware, is the willing surrender of ones critical faculties in favour of the promotion of a belief in sheer hogwash. For example, John might believe in an invisible entity that has the persona of a particularly insane and loutish man but who also has, conveniently enough, the properties of a deity, and who rules over all. One knows almost immediately that it's a fantasy of colossal fairy-like childishness in its descriptive guise and an attempt to provide a framework within which bigotry and violence and sexual abuse can be justified in its practical day to day usage. It is also used to help promote the deliverance of most of the material wealth into the pockets of the few.
It's rather ironic that John Thomas is probably a soulless creature of little spiritual substance but who prattles on about secular materialism as though he was somehow not of the material world.
We just don't want the kids to spend 8 hours a day learning about the thousands of religions in the world (after, all if you teach one, you've got to teach them all).
We'd rather they learned how to read and write, how to do basic math, and set fire to things in the science lab.
Community maintained schools in England and Wales (the equivalent of public schools in the USA) are legally required to have "a daily act of collective worship of a majority Christian nature". Schools can apply to opt out of this, which normally applies where the majority of pupils are not Christian, which in England would mean Muslim, Hindu, Sikh or Jewish.
Which rather shoots down this guy's argument.
If John Thomas is posting about the UK he should be well aware that almost all new schools are 'faith' schools and the recent Education Acts require collective daily worship that is "wholly or mainly of a broadly Christian character" in all schools. The recent academies founded by the Vardy Foundation even tried to introduce Creationism into the state science syllabus.
He's either extremely ignorant or 'lying for Jesus'.
Remember that schools (media, society, etc.) currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely christianism, so remember to realise how hypocritical it is for people (like several posters here) to say "No religion should be taught in schools". What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly.
Fixed.
Since when does the very basis of science (scientific naturalism or as you call it secular materialism) have anything to do with being a religion? There's no faith and no dogma in science, only that which is demonstrably evident. You don't need faith to accept certain things about how the world works. You don't need to pray to turn on your computer, nor when you start your car, nor when scientists identify changes in allele frequencies - you can see it all for yourself, numbnuts.
How typical of a religo-nutjob to pass off his on way of thinking as being the way everyone else must also think. Fuck off you arrogant wanker, not everyone thinks like you. You can think what the fuck you want, just keep it to yourself and stfu
John Thomas, your mama gave you a funny name, kid.
After years of struggle he finally chose a name suitable for the Disney channel and he quickly rose to fame as Dick Van Dyke.
I never understood this. I grew up in a conservative Christian family in California (a relatively liberal state) and was (and still am to an extent) religious. Yet, I never remember encountering anything in school that directly collided with my Christian faith. When we studied religion in sixth grade (religion IS taught as a historical discipline, they just don't tell you which one to believe), the unit on Christianity was fair and scholarly. We also learned about Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, etc. "Secular materialism" or atheism was not even talked about. We did learn about evolution in science class, but I was never troubled by it, and the teachers did point out areas where the theory of evolution fails to explain certain phenomena and were careful to point out that there is room within the theory for debate about certain processes like macroevolution, even if they never commented on "intelligent design" (which is not a scientific theory, so would be taught in a different class, like the world religions class mentioned above - I think we actually did study the Judeo-Christian book of Genesis as a religious document).
There is a certain kernel of truth to this...sort of.
With a name like that, I can't rule out Poe in this case. But this argument is so common among fundies that it's obvious some of them actually believe it.
In those cases, I think it's just their desperation, jealousy, and insecurity talking. Because that's all they have left. Science is getting so close to explaining everything humanity ever asked - from how the universe came to be, to how things like love and morality evolved - that the religious are now realizing the gods they've based their egos around really will soon be nothing but fairy tales.
They can't beat science on its own terms. So they think by keeping the next generation away from what it teaches, they can then redefine it as just another religion based on faith. That way, they can bully it into submission, just like they did to all the others.
So by not brainwashing them into the Cult of The Cosmic Jewish Sky Zombie, they're indoctrinating them into materialism? How many braincells has your pastor and Sunday School teachers(s) burned out, I wonder?
Secular materialism is a religion like a herbivore is a carnivore.
Contradiction in terms - go look it up, Johnny boy.
"Remember that schools (media, society, etc.) currently DO teach that one religion is the one ultimate truth, namely secular materialism, so remember to realise how hypocritical it is for people (like several posters here) to say "No religion should be taught in schools". What they really mean is "No religion other than my own" - it's just that they are not honest enough to say it openly."
With a name like 'John Thomas', is it any wonder he talks a load of cock? He's certainly a jizz yodeller for the Lord.
Keep sucking your God's schlong, John.
Nonononono. "All religions are possible; however, the big bang and evolution are the most widely scientifically accepted theories. Most religions have failed to provide accepted scientific theories for their ideas, and thus we will not teach about them in these science lessons."
nope sorry. Science os methodological naturalism, which is a process of finding natural causes for natural events. No philosophy required.
By all means teach a class of world religions or even the differences between christians, but not in science class thanks.
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