[After tallying up the number of civilizations or societies that I am aware of that has crumbled due to same-sex marriage, I'm inclined to think it does not (harm society).]
I disagree. Rome and Greece accepted homosexuality we all know what happened to them.
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For contrast, try the Judaen and Israelite kingdoms. They utterly rejected homosexuality, and look what happened to them. They got their butts handed to them time and again, got their temple destroyed twice...
Post hoc ergo propter hoc -- because it's easier than actually thinking.
"Rome and Greece accepted homosexuality we all know what happened to them."
Nothing happened to Greece. It was conquered by the Romans and was allowed to continue with it's customs and practices. Later Christianity spread through Greece and the Byzantine Empire became an important part of it's later history. It never was destroyed, it's people were never beaten down, and throughout it all Greece experienced quite a bit of prosperity until the Ottoman Turks came into the picture (it recovered from that event btw). In the end it simply went through a series of natural changes. One could even say it evolved.
Rome conquered Western Europe (except Scandinavia), half of England, northern Arabia, northern Africa, Greece, modern day Turkey, etc etc etc...
If anything, NGL should be praising the Greeks and Romans for making the spread of Christianity possible in the first place.
That the Romans owned most of Europe, the Middle East, and bits of Africa?
@Tempus
Rome and Greece both made and sold cheeses, and look what happened to them.
Well, Greece fell because Rome conquered it...so by the same argument you could say that the Romans were just bigger, badder homos, eh?
Rome and Greece accepted homosexuality, but not same-sex marriage, which was the point of the question. And as others have pointed out, both civilizations have had lasting impact on our own culture.
Neither the Greek now Roman empires had XBox 360s, and look what happened to them. Therefore, in order to prefent the downfall of American civilization, I'm off to play Gears of War.
Others have already mentioned the accomplishments and legacies of Rome and Greece, so I won't repeat them.
But I will point out that the Byzantine Empire fell when the Turks captured Constantinople. Which happened because Western CHRISTIANS sacked and pillaged Constantinople beforehand, leaving it vulnerable to the Turkish invasion. Of course, this idiot will probably make the argument that those crusaders weren't really Christian because they were Catholic. Still, homosexuality had nothing to do with it.
@Adrian: Actually, the Macedonians were Greek, it's just that the other city-states referred to them as foreigners, which they used with any city-state outside their own. The Greeks did not think of themselves as a united country yet.
I disagree. The USA's most prominent (at the time) preacher Ted Faggard accepted homosexuality (despite preaching against such practices):
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We all know what happened to him.
FYI, NoGreaterLove:
'The ancient Romans believed that buggery caused earthquakes'
-John Sessions, "QI":
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The Greeks forged one of the largest empires ever.
The Romans forged an empire that lasted about 600-700 years or well over 1000 if you count the eastern empire/byzantines, who were... Greeks!
While the rest of Europe was shitting in buckets, the Eastern empire had plumbing in large cities, heated baths, and the idea that maybe bathing wasn't a terrible thing.
Yes, they founded the evil backwards things known as culture, philosophy, natural causes for disease, democracy, the olympics, capitalist trade, law and order and laid the foundations of Europe. I mean what has democratic law, artistic culture and capitalism ever done for you?
You mean the civilisations modern western socities are built upon? Rome, who dominated Yahweh's land& people and whose military & political systems heavily inspire our own to this day? Greece, from whose language & mythology you derived many of your own mythology's dearest concepts, terms & traditions?
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