I was heavily involved in D&D for about 2 years. I witnessed people turning away from God and turning to a total life of fantasy. I saw grown men sit in a corner and cry because their character died after they pleaded to their "god" to "save" them. I was trying to be a "good" Christian and played this game like it was going out of style. I quit after I saw that I only got excited about this stupid game and not the things of God. I was offered some serious $$ for my characters, but said no. D&D involves witchcraft, sorcery, demons, and so much more. I've been around folks that were into Witchcraft, had "friends" visit them and other things as well. Thankfully, they were saved from hell by a Loving God. To say this puke means nothing, or have no influence on you is the same as listening to Marilyn Manson or watching pornography and saying they have no influence on you either. This is not reaching for straws or comparing different things. They all come from the same pit of hell. Does it matter who wrote something if it promotes something that is not Godly? Only if you think His standards change. I understand that this part of the forum has folks with different standards, so some of you won't agree with me, but I can live with that too.
P.S. For those that think the Bible has "fiction" in it....what part(s)?
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Ha, what a fucking LOAD!
I've known people who have played Dungeons and dragons for more than 20 years and - SURPRISE - they're more rounded individuals than and fundies I know! None of them are devil worshippers and NONE have cried over losing characters.
How do you buy a character? They're written down on pieces of paper, you dipshit!
PS: All of it!
Dude-
I've been doing RPGs for over 10 years now.
I can tell you from experience that if the people in your group appear to be messed up, then they were most likely messed up long before they got to the table.
Your average gamer is a mentally healthy individual who simply enjoys going off into fantasy for a few hours. If anything, a good gaming group should foster positive skills and attributes such as teamwork, creative thinking, and strategy.
I call BS. This reads like the Chick Tract, but without the ugly artwork. Having been involved in DnD and other roleplaying for the past 25 years (dang, I'm old), I can tell you no one 'buys' a character from another player; and while I have seen people get emotional over a character death, never has anyone cried.
DnD involves pretend witchcraft, pretend sorcery, pretend demons, and pretend lots of stuff... much like The Bible. The difference is if you play DnD, when you pay money for things you get books with pictures in them instead of being told you're "saved".
I've been playing D&D since the '70s. I teach in a religious school. I even teach religion in a religious school. This person has never played D&D. I'm not sure why anyone would ever give someone else money for a D&D character. If I want your character, I will simply make one exactly like him. Take me 10 minutes, tops, and if you complain too much I will just give him a different name. This guy seems to think that D&D characters have some kind of physical reality or perhaps are on a national registry or something.
You fail at lying about D&D. I've been playing for 5 years, which, while not so long as some of the people here, is enough to tell me that you have no idea what the feck you're talking about.
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D&D involves witchcraft, sorcery, demons, and so much more.
Last I checked, so does Catholicism.
I've been playing D&D since the '70s. I teach in a religious school. I even teach religion in a religious school. This person has never played D&D. I'm not sure why anyone would ever give someone else money for a D&D character. If I want your character, I will simply make one exactly like him. Take me 10 minutes, tops, and if you complain too much I will just give him a different name. This guy seems to think that D&D characters have some kind of physical reality or perhaps are on a national registry or something.
Agreed.
I can see people buying miniatures off of each other, especially if they're painted, but not characters.
Also, one of the subjects I'm the tutor for is theology; I'm the only theology tutor on the entire campus.
Yes... the "buying his character" part is the dead giveaway on his lies.
For those who don't game: Unlike in online games, in tabletop games, if you want a high-level character without working for it... you take out a piece of paper and write down that you have a high-level character. Then you need to find someone to let you play it; same problem as if you got the character off someone else.
I've played RPGs for years... with some fairly emotionally unstable people, when you get down to it... and I've never seen the kind of reactions he described.
The other totally disingenuous part is the one where he refers to grown men crying (definitely out of a chick tract... though in the tract they were teenage girls). I've seen grown men threaten to PUNCH other grown men when their character dies... that's the other thing about paper RPGs, you see. When your character dies, it's not by the act of some abstract god, it's by the act of that guy sitting across the table from you. Whom you can punch.
Oh, and where did this part come in: "I've been around folks that were into Witchcraft, had "friends" visit them and other things as well." Is he referring to the RPG "Witchcraft"? No, wait... he just doesn't have the capacity to link groups of related sentences together, while separating unrelated ideas. A so-called "paragraph break" before this sentence might have been helpful. He knows how to do it, can find the GREAT BIG KEY on his keyboard designed to make them, he showed us that in his post-script. Intriguing.
"P.S. For those that think the Bible has "fiction" in it....what part(s)?"
Well, my favorite is the story of the tower of babel. God knocked it down because he was afraid that they would make it up to heaven. What a suprise it must have been for the fundies when we sent a rocket into space and didn't hit heaven, thus proving that story to be bullshit.
Roleplaying is a social exercise that can teach you things about yourself. It is occasionally misused by escapists to feel more powerful, respected or attractive than they really are, and that becomes addictive and unhealthy. Any intellectual medium of amusement can be abused this way. Games don't make you evil.
In the years that I have played fantasy type games I have never bought or sold a character. Books, dice, boards, models, quests, those I have bought and sold, but not characters. Man you must be an idiot
Bible parts that are fictionnous :
The whole part btween the beggining and the end. Some stories relates actual events that already occured at the time of writing but then it talk about your sky daddy that is completly made-up. That made it fictitious too.
I've been around folks that were into Witchcraft, had "friends" visit them
"Friends" visiting? Pfffftt! Who needs 'em, when you have a "personal relationship" with an invisible pretend zombie from thousands of years ago?
Heyheyheyhey!
How did this guy know I like to listen to Marilyn Manson while watching porn?
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I am kidding, but I do like both those things.
And what a crock of shit, I've never cried and I've never known ANYONE to cry over a dead D&D character. You roll up a new character and go on with it (if you are the type to really hold on, you won't cry, but odds are you'll scheme in some way to resurrect that bitchin' Paladin you've been RPing with for months now... I have known a few people to play the same character, resurrected a few times cause they didn't wanna give him up)
As a D&D player (though causal), I call BS on that. Most sessions involve lots of die rolling, drinking (we are all college students), and generally not actually getting anywhere (because we have a tendency to have full party kills even without the DM interfering). None of us took our characters seriously (I mean, this one guy named his character "Major Dick"). We went through characters like bottles of beer (because of said above backstabbing tendencies)
All of my friends and I are still sound in body and mind, which is more than I can say about you.
I did get fairly upset about a dead D&D character, but that was because the other players killed it, not the GM. (This was not a PvP oriented game, unlike Mark Poe's.)
Also, who offered Dan cash for characters? If that's real (hint: it isn't), I could make a huge profit, because I like building characters that I know will never see play. Or, more likely, the GM had NPCs offer his character quests for in-game 'money.'
@NoncompliAut
The sad thing was that it wasn't a PvP oriented game, we were suppose to work as a group to do... well, the usual things. But full party kills occurs anyway because most of our characters are just so dysfunctional (the large amounts of alcohol consumed (both in game and real life) during adventures doesn't help matters).
Ironically "major Dick" never actually killed another player character now I think about it...
Just wanted to set the record straight (or in this case, less crooked) ;P
Even if I accept that most of the bible is real there are the parables which are stories told by Jesus that did not happen. So even if you believe the bible is literal there is still fiction in it, told by your God.
Now personally I believe that the bible is Mythology and that some of the stories inside happened but are exaggerated to frankly mythical proportions.
Ours wasn't either. The 'paladins' really wanted to take levels in blackguard and get bonuses for being an ex-pally. So of course, that required killing my gnome after she had surrendered and was [pretending to] sleep.
I will say that D&D can be dangerous ... if you play in a science classroom where people forget to turn off a gas line and other people use bunsen burners. We nearly burned (not in Hell, though) due to playing D&D! However, we were saved by asking a higher power (the teacher) to protect us (tell us how to turn off the gas line).
"I saw grown men sit in a corner and cry because their character died after they pleaded to their "god" to "save" them."
I see your only source on D&D was the Chick Tract "Dark Dungeons". No we do NOT flip our shit when our characters die.
Actually, there are quite a lot of roleplaying games where characters are, suffice to say, dropping like flies (Warhammer Fantasy, Paranoia, Helvéczia), but the thing is, when we play tabletops, we absolutely don't believe we're said characters. It's mostly like with movie actors, we assume a role and act it out, HENCE THE FUCKING NAME. ROLE PLAYING. THIS IS CALLED BASIC READING COMPREHENSION.
Usually what I feel when my characters die is mostly disappointment because I had so much delicious character development planned for them. I. DO NOT. UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. BELIEVE. THAT I. DIED WITH. MY CHARACTER.
Why am I even talking of course I'll wont convice anybody.
Ohhhhhhh nevermind.
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